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pcamps,
I've re-read this and just simply say that " I 'reject "I believe in Jesus and the Bible' " is in opposition to:
Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
The only thing that happens to people after physical death is to be judged...not to be given the choice of confession after they realize how wrong they were.
Ezekiel 18:20
The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him,
and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
thou dost believe that God is one; thou dost well, and the demonsbelieve, and they shudder! James 2:19
This verse proves where ET comes from.............it comes from those who fear and shudder.
Twin did you miss the part where i said the scribes and Pharisees said "We are Abraham's sons and we believe the Torah", Jesus told them they were of their father the devil. Your confession means nothing if it is not in faith, neither is bending the knee.Most of America say's it christian, do you believe it is ?
You are taking two verses talking about different things, and trying to make them support each other, but it doesn't work that way. One talks about living people, and the other talks about peole who have already died. If this is the foundation of your belief, then you have built on sand.
If that helps you to disbelieve it then that is upon you.
If that helps you to disbelieve it then that is upon you.
It is a problem when you marry two unrelated verses together to build an argument. Bible could be made to say anything using that approach. What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit? During the judgment day, do you think the Spirit will persuade you to knee, or could it be that you will knee because will be face to face with God. The Spirit is here on earth to help us mortals understand things of God while we are still living. The "every knee" verse says nothing about the Spirit, it simply says the during judgment every knee will bow (Romans). The other problem is that if you were correct, then it would create a huge contradiction to dozens of Bible verses which state otherwise.
thou dost believe that God is one; thou dost well, and the demonsbelieve, and they shudder! James 2:19
This verse proves where ET comes from.............it comes from those who fear and shudder.
Twin did you miss the part where i said the scribes and Pharisees said "We are Abraham's sons and we believe the Torah", Jesus told them they were of their father the devil. Your confession means nothing if it is not in faith, neither is bending the knee. Most of America say's it christian, do you believe it is ?
No I didn't miss it. That was the point Jesus was making to the scribes and Pharisees, their confession meant nothing because it is not in faith in him.
James 2:19 isn't saying that demons from a confessional view. They believe that because of ther rebellion they know the wrath that is to become upon them .... shudder.
The deception is to believe that saying "i believe in Jesus" is the confession.
Our confession is who we are.
The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in himMatt 12 :35
THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. ‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’” Matthew 15:8-9
It is a problem when you marry two unrelated verses together to build an argument. Bible could be made to say anything using that approach. What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit? During the judgment day, do you think the Spirit will persuade you to knee, or could it be that you will knee because will be face to face with God. The Spirit is here on earth to help us mortals understand things of God while we are still living. The "every knee" verse says nothing about the Spirit, it simply says the during judgment every knee will bow (Romans). The other problem is that if you were correct, then it would create a huge contradiction to dozens of Bible verses which state otherwise.
No Finn_Jarber, they are completely related. All of God's Scriptures are related. Think about the argument you are trying to make.
Finn_Jarber, do you realize that those called right now are experiencing Judgement?
You seem to have a wrong view of Judgement.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
The verse your arguing about says that those bowing their knee will do so TO THE GLORY OF GOD.
Now you believe it causes contradictions but I wont to persuade you to bring those verses up and we can discuss so I can show you that there is no contradiction.
FinJarber, my job as a Christian is to persuade. I hope you understand that I see you as my brother who just doesn't yet understand my position. I am absolutely certain in time you will but if you understand now then you get to be unleashed massive amounts of understanding that could lead you to the firstfruits.
The verse your arguing about says that those bowing their knee will do so TO THE GLORY OF GOD.
Yes, to the glory of God, when they see Him face to face, and will have no choise but to admit they were horribly wrong in deying Him. It says this: "You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat."
and then it says every knee shall bend. So, it is in fact talking about the heavenly judgment day, not earthly judgments. It talks about great white throne judgment.
Yes, to the glory of God, when they see Him face to face, and will have no choise but to admit they were horribly wrong in deying Him. It says this: "You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat."
and then it says every knee shall bend. So, it is in fact talking about the heavenly judgment day, not earthly judgments. It talks about great white throne judgment.
Finn_Jarber if what your saying is true that means the wicked and glorify God, do you really believe that? If so, then I believe I have a whole bunch of verses to refute that. Do you believe that? Now if not, then you have to acknowledge that EVERYONE will be saved. Which is it?
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