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Old 04-01-2011, 10:39 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Simply ....it has failed. God warned:
Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
for when you eat of it you will surely die.”

Universalist twists it by reason and adding to God's word:
Genesis 3:3
"but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden,
and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ”

Then Satan's universal love message:
Genesis 3:1,4
“Did God really say,.....?" “You will not surely die,”
THE RESULT: universalism failed
Genesis 8:21
“Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins is the one who will die.

Romans 1:20
so that men are without excuse.

>>>>>>>>>> \\\\\\\\\ and for the future ........//////<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ezekiel 18:20
The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him,
and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

Ezekiel 3:20
“Again, when arighteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil,
and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die...he will die for his sin.
The righteous things he did will not be remembered,


Then Jesus will fulfill Ezekiel 18:20 saying ............Matthew 25:32,33
"to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father;
take your inheritance,
the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.' "

"to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' "

THE RESULT: universalism will fail
Jesus will fulfill Ezekiel 18:20
Jesus will fulfill Matthew 25:32,33

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Old 04-01-2011, 10:52 AM
 
Location: RV Park
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Simply ....it has failed. God warned:
Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
for when you eat of it you will surely die.”

Notice what the tree represents? Judging things on the premice of right/wrong, black/white, and so forth. Sounds like Fundies to me.

UR actually acknowledges that God is ruler over all of His creation, as Adam did before the Fall. There is sin, but it's not even a speed bump to what was done at Calvary.

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Then Satan's universal love message:
Genesis 3:1,4
“Did God really say,.....?" “You will not surely die,”

If the cross is not applied to the believer, then they're still alive to sin - no matter what they confess - and Fundies are rebuking bad things in their lives in order to not go through the very thing God has sent in order to kill them.


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Old 04-01-2011, 10:59 AM
 
Location: East Coast
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I see you can't stand it all those lies from wolves in sheep clothing Twin.Watchout on that Damascus Rd, there's rumors that a light suddenly appears, knocks you to the ground and blinds ya for 3 days.
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:36 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Notice what the tree represents? Judging things on the premice of right/wrong, black/white, and so forth. Sounds like Fundies to me.

UR actually acknowledges that God is ruler over all of His creation, as Adam did before the Fall. There is sin, but it's not even a speed bump to what was done at Calvary.

If the cross is not applied to the believer, then they're still alive to sin - no matter what they confess - and Fundies are rebuking bad things in their lives in order to not go through the very thing God has sent in order to kill them.


The warning from God was very simple and it was challanged. This has nothing to do with fundies.

THE RESULT: universalism will fail
Jesus will fulfill Ezekiel 18:20
Jesus will fulfill Matthew 25:32,33

To me....it's people who challange Ezekiel 18:20, Matthew 25:32,33
are in their beer, for they want to be "the way, the truth and the life".
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will be tormented forever in fire.



“Did God really say,.....?" “You will not surely die,”


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Old 04-01-2011, 11:41 AM
 
Location: RV Park
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[/indent]The warning from God was very simple and it was challanged. This has nothing to do with fundies.

THE RESULT: universalism will fail
Jesus will fulfill Ezekiel 18:20
Jesus will fulfill Matthew 25:32,33

To me....it's people who challange Ezekiel 18:20, Matthew 25:32,33
are in their beer, for they want to be "the way, the truth and the life".
There is only One way, truth and life - the depth of this exceeds the oceans, if we could only grasp it.

The issue with the scriptures your posting is the intent they're meant to confer - the separation of wheat from chaff, sheep from goats, etc is all within you and me - and that's where the "death" originates from.
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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There is only One way, truth and life - the depth of this exceeds the oceans, if we could only grasp it.

The issue with the scriptures your posting is the intent they're meant to confer - the separation of wheat from chaff, sheep from goats, etc is all within you and me - and that's where the "death" originates from.
Don't you know the chaff will be tormented forever in fire. Its justice.
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:59 AM
 
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I guess as an outsider to the UR/ET debate, my impression is that the ET crowd can't tolerate the fact that others won't suffer forever and ever and ever and ever. How selfish their hatred is...... how childish the agenda........... really speaks poorly for the compassion these people don't seem to have.
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Old 04-01-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Originally Posted by twin.spin View Post
Simply ....it has failed. God warned:
Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
for when you eat of it you will surely die.”

Universalist twists it by reason and adding to God's word:
Genesis 3:3
"but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden,
and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ”

Then Satan's universal love message:
Genesis 3:1,4
“Did God really say,.....?" “You will not surely die,”
THE RESULT: universalism failed
Genesis 8:21
“Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins is the one who will die.

Romans 1:20
so that men are without excuse.

>>>>>>>>>> \\\\\\\\\ and for the future ........//////<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ezekiel 18:20
The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him,
and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

Ezekiel 3:20
“Again, when arighteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil,
and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die...he will die for his sin.
The righteous things he did will not be remembered,
Then Jesus will fulfill Ezekiel 18:20 saying ............Matthew 25:32,33
"to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father;
take your inheritance,
the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.' "

"to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' "

THE RESULT: universalism will fail
Jesus will fulfill Ezekiel 18:20
Jesus will fulfill Matthew 25:32,33

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Old 04-01-2011, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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[/indent]The warning from God was very simple and it was challanged. This has nothing to do with fundies.

THE RESULT: universalism will fail
Jesus will fulfill Ezekiel 18:20
Jesus will fulfill Matthew 25:32,33

To me....it's people who challange Ezekiel 18:20, Matthew 25:32,33
are in their beer, for they want to be "the way, the truth and the life".
They are not afraid to challenge God. Their challenge is always the same old atheist mantra: "how can a loving God punish people".
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