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Old 04-05-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: RI
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Default Are Universalists Christians ?

I have noticed on here Evangelicals, Baptists,Pentecostal,Lutheran and so on are rarely called by the denominations they belonged to but simply christian. Why are Universalists called everything but christian on here ?.

Universalists do you believe you are christians ?

If you think universalists are not christian please state why .
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:11 PM
 
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I am a Christian. I believe Jesus will be 100% successful in his mission to save the world. If that means by someone's definition that I'm a Universalist, so be it. I'm also a member of the Southern Baptist Church and believe in once-saved-always-saved, but I also believe that everyone will one day be in that category.
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:32 PM
 
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There are probably many Christians who covertly believe in Universalism, or at least believe it's a possibility. I'm sure many would love to believe in it (although probably just as many would prefer it not be true) but the way they see the Bible it seems clear this is not the case .
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Romeo: O! speak again, bright angel; for thou art
As glorious to this night, being o’er my head,
As is a winged messenger of heaven
Unto the white-upturned wond’ring eyes
Of mortals, that fall back to gaze on him
When he bestrides the lazy-pacing clouds,
And sails upon the bosom of the air.

Juliet: O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?
Deny thy father, and refuse thy name;
Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,
And I’ll no longer be a Capulet.

Romeo: Shall I hear more, or shall I speak at this?

Juliet: ’Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself though, not a Montague.
What’s Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O! be some other name:
What’s in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet
;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call’d,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name;
And for that name, which is no part of thee,
Take all myself.

Romeo: I take thee at thy word.
Call me but love, and I’ll be new baptiz’d;
Henceforth I never will be Romeo.

Juliet: What man art thou, that, thus be-screen’d in night,
So stumblest on my counsel?

Romeo: By a name
I know not how to tell thee who I am:
My name, dear saint, is hateful to myself,
Because it is an enemy to thee:
Had I it written, I would tear the word.

Juliet: My ears have not yet drunk a hundred words
Of that tongue’s uttering, yet I know the sound:
Art thou not Romeo, and a Montague?

Romeo: Neither, fair maid, if either thee dislike.

Juliet: How cam’st thou hither, tell me, and wherefore?
The orchard walls are high and hard to climb,
And the place death, considering who thou art,
If any of my kinsmen find thee here.

Romeo: With love’s light wings did I o’erperch these walls;
For stony limits cannot hold love out,
And what love can do that dares love attempt;
Therefore thy kinsmen are no stop to me.

Juliet: If they do see thee they will murder thee.

Romeo: Alack! there lies more peril in thine eye
Than twenty of their swords: look thou but sweet,
And I am proof against their enmity.

Juliet: I would not for the world they saw thee here.

Romeo: I have night’s cloak to hide me from their eyes;
And but thou love me, let them find me here;
My life were better ended by their hate,
Than death prorogued, wanting of thy love.

Juliet: By whose direction found’st thou out this place?

Romeo: By Love, that first did prompt me to inquire;
He lent me counsel, and I lent him eyes.
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(from Romeo and Juliet) - by William Shakespeare
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:57 PM
 
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What I'm curious to know is if there are any actual Christian denominations (aside from mine) which actually teach that all will ultimately be saved?
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Old 04-05-2011, 11:28 PM
 
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What I'm curious to know is if there are any actual Christian denominations (aside from mine) which actually teach that all will ultimately be saved?
It seems those that do/did are not afforded the title 'denomination', but rather are on the fringes...for some weird reason UR isn't as popular as religions which give people a sense of 'justice' (i.e. revenge).
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Old 04-06-2011, 06:05 AM
 
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It seems those that do/did are not afforded the title 'denomination', but rather are on the fringes...for some weird reason UR isn't as popular as religions which give people a sense of 'justice' (i.e. revenge).
Well I am definitely a Christian and no other human being is going to tell me otherwise. I guess if I had to claim a denomination it would be Baptist, although I don't attend church for many reasons. One being that there is not a Christian Universalist church anywhere in my area and I refuse to listen to sermons on hellfire and damnation any longer.

You're right, UR is very unpopular because of the message that Christ will save all.....there's no justice in UR for those seeking revenge for other people, and let's face it, some would love to see their foes/enemies burning forever. Sad.
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Old 04-06-2011, 06:22 AM
 
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What I'm curious to know is if there are any actual Christian denominations (aside from mine) which actually teach that all will ultimately be saved?
Yours don't either. 99% saved is not 100%. You believe those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, thus never be saved. So, how can yours be called Universalism?
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Old 04-06-2011, 06:43 AM
 
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Christian Universalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-06-2011, 07:35 AM
 
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That's actually a good link, so have you read it for yourself? How does this disprove that CU's are Christians? It states very plainly CHRISTIAN Universalism. Anyone with questions about Christian Universalism should read this link.
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