Act 20:7 did NOT change the Sabbath day. (churches, preach, believe)

[HotinAZ]

I responded to a poster and thought better to have a new thread started. I would love to hear the verses out of the Bible that changed God's Holy Sabbath Day, to another. Anyone else have any??

They did all this on the first day of the week. (Acts 20:7)

Actually, this verse is a bad excuse to break the Sabbath, since when you look at the lexicon, the English CHANGED it. So, the Apostles are NOT teaching some 'new thing' for the Church to observe. They are teaching what is commanded by God to KEEP His Sabbath Holy.

What it should say, based upon the lexicon is:

And on one Sabbath (G4521 σάββατον sabbaton) the disciples gathered together and broke bread. Paul reasoned with them, thinking on leaving the next day. And he continued talking until midnight.

Since Paul talked UNTIL midnight, it became the first day of the week, as the Israelite calender first day begins at sundown Sat, when the Sabbath is over.


So perhaps this is why it was changed, perhaps not. I would think not.

Tony

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

I responded to a poster and thought better to have a new thread started. I would love to hear the verses out of the Bible that changed God's Holy Sabbath Day, to another. Anyone else have any??



Actually, this verse is a bad excuse to break the Sabbath, since when you look at the lexicon, the English CHANGED it. So, the Apostles are NOT teaching some 'new thing' for the Church to observe. They are teaching what is commanded by God to KEEP His Sabbath Holy.

What it should say, based upon the lexicon is:

And on one Sabbath (G4521 σάββατον sabbaton) the disciples gathered together and broke bread. Paul reasoned with them, thinking on leaving the next day. And he continued talking until midnight.

Since Paul talked UNTIL midnight, it became the first day of the week, as the Israelite calender first day begins at sundown Sat, when the Sabbath is over.


So perhaps this is why it was changed, perhaps not. I would think not.

Tony

Funny now that I think about it I, the first day of my work week is Monday. So in the scheme of things Sunday is the last day of the week as far as laboring goes. Calendars in Germany have monday as the first day of the week.

Further, consider to whom the Sabbath was directed.

Exodus 31:12-17

12 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”

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Who are the children of Israel?

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

I responded to a poster and thought better to have a new thread started. I would love to hear the verses out of the Bible that changed God's Holy Sabbath Day, to another. Anyone else have any??



Actually, this verse is a bad excuse to break the Sabbath, since when you look at the lexicon, the English CHANGED it. So, the Apostles are NOT teaching some 'new thing' for the Church to observe. They are teaching what is commanded by God to KEEP His Sabbath Holy.

What it should say, based upon the lexicon is:

And on one Sabbath (G4521 σάββατον sabbaton) the disciples gathered together and broke bread. Paul reasoned with them, thinking on leaving the next day. And he continued talking until midnight.

Since Paul talked UNTIL midnight, it became the first day of the week, as the Israelite calender first day begins at sundown Sat, when the Sabbath is over.


So perhaps this is why it was changed, perhaps not. I would think not.

Tony

What changed it was .........

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:25
Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Funny now that I think about it I, the first day of my work week is Monday. So in the scheme of things Sunday is the last day of the week as far as laboring goes. Calendars in Germany have monday as the first day of the week.

Further, consider to whom the Sabbath was directed.

Exodus 31:12-17

12 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”

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Who are the children of Israel?

Me, actually!

My question back is,

WHO is Israel?

[Obamuchadnezzar]

Notice how Paul is the one with the anti-Law answers....not Jesus. Hmmm.

Or I could be totally wrong. Rip me a part, Bible scholars.

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

What changed it was .........

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:25
Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

So, how well do you love God twin?

He says, IF you love me, keep my Commandments.

He was not talking about the 316 levitical commandments. He is talking about HIS Commandments, the 10 based upon LOVE.

So, if you do not murder another, because you love your brother, and
you do not steal, because you love your brother, and
you do not dishonor your parents, because you love them, and
you have but 1 GOD, because you love Him,

WHY would you break a commandment He has set His OWN personal authoritive seal upon? Willingly?

It doesnt compute, at ALL.

I understand law and grace. The law cannot save. Only grace through the blood of our Savior can save. So, by claiming the grace for ourselves, and the redemptive process of His personal sacrifice, why then would ANYONE trample the law? Did grace nullify the law? What did Jesus personally say on this matter?

Without rules to live by, then there is darkness. Chaos reigns supreme, because God's commandments are broken, even by those professing to know Him, yet are workers of iniquity. We also knows what He says about those people, don't we??

It is but 1 commandment. You already probably obey all the others, yet are stiffnecked and stubborn on this one because your false teachers have led you in a ditch that you cannot see out of. Read it! It is there. The blind leading the blind.

Tony

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by Obamuchadnezzar

Notice how Paul is the one with the anti-Law answers....not Jesus. Hmmm.

Or I could be totally wrong. Rip me a part, Bible scholars.

Well, they will say Paul was the teacher of the Gentiles, yet it was Peter who was commissioned by God to preach to them. I sometimes wonder if you took out just Paul's writings, because so many misunderstand them, what the church body would look like today?

Paul isn't anti-commandments, but he is anti-old covenant(levitical laws).

The 10 Commandments are NOT just levitical laws. They are God's Holy Law.

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

Me, actually!

You're a Jew, by birth? Cool. As am I.

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

My question back is,

WHO is Israel?

There was this fellow Jacob. He wrestled with God....Well, you know the story.

Anyway, reading the Book of Exodus we find:

EX 1:1-13

1 Now these are the names of the children of Israel who came to Egypt; each man and his household came with Jacob: 2 Reuben, Simemon, Levi, and Judah; 3 Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin; 4 Dan, Naphtali, Gad, and Asher. 5 All those who were descendants of Jacob were seventy persons (for Joseph was in Egypt already). 6 And Joseph died, all his brothers, and all that generation. 7 But the children of Israel were fruitful and increased abundantly, multiplied and grew exceedingly mighty; and the land was filled with them.

8 Now there arose a new king over Egypt, who did not know Joseph. 9 And he said to his people, “Look, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we; 10 come, let us deal shrewdly with them, lest they multiply, and it happen, in the event of war, that they also join our enemies and fight against us, and so go up out of the land.” 11 Therefore they set taskmasters over them to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh supply cities, Pithom and Raamses. 12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were in dread of the children of Israel. 13 So the Egyptians made the children of Israel serve with rigor.
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So the Children of Israel are descendants of Jacob (aka Israel). Today and in the time of Jesus they were known as Jews.

The Sabbath Commandment is for the Jews.

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

The 10 Commandments are NOT just levitical laws. They are God's Holy Law.

You do realize that the most important Laws/commandments of the OT are not found in the 10.

Matt 22:35-40

35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

You're a Jew, by birth? Cool. As am I.

Not a Jew, but I do have Hebrew blood, by birth.

There was this fellow Jacob. He wrestled with God....Well, you know the story.

Yes, know it well. Jacob's name was changed to bring forth the Israel nation. But the foundation was laid in heaven, by Israel Himself. Can't always think in fleshly term ya know.

Anyway, reading the Book of Exodus we find:

EX 1:1-13

1 Now these are the names of the children of Israel who came to Egypt; each man and his household came with Jacob: 2 Reuben, Simemon, Levi, and Judah; 3 Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin; 4 Dan, Naphtali, Gad, and Asher. 5 All those who were descendants of Jacob were seventy persons (for Joseph was in Egypt already). 6 And Joseph died, all his brothers, and all that generation. 7 But the children of Israel were fruitful and increased abundantly, multiplied and grew exceedingly mighty; and the land was filled with them.

8 Now there arose a new king over Egypt, who did not know Joseph. 9 And he said to his people, “Look, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we; 10 come, let us deal shrewdly with them, lest they multiply, and it happen, in the event of war, that they also join our enemies and fight against us, and so go up out of the land.” 11 Therefore they set taskmasters over them to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh supply cities, Pithom and Raamses. 12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were in dread of the children of Israel. 13 So the Egyptians made the children of Israel serve with rigor.
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Yes, good history there. But, I am not talking about history. I am talking about forever.

So the Children of Israel are descendants of Jacob (aka Israel). Today and in the time of Jesus they were known as Jews.

Wrong. The Children of Israel are children of God. Not all Jews, as you call them, are of God, but rather the devil. Care to explain? It is actually quite easy, when you realize this deception that has been rampant throughout the ages on the churches, to get to the bottom of the lies.

The Sabbath Commandment is for the Jews.

Ok. So God didn't rest on the Sabbath in Genesis? The Israelite children were commanded to not grab manna on Sabbath, BEFORE the commandment was set forth in stone?

Hmm.

Well, believe what you will. Like I said, the blind cannot see, until Jesus opens them. I shall pray for you.

Tony