How do you interpret/balance these verses? (spiritual, demons, versus)
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And I thought you did not believe in asking for it..... Are you saying now it is convenient to believe otherwise? But then again, one thing has nothing to do with the other.
I am saying Jesus instructed one believer to judge/instruct another believer with the goal of helping them get back on the narrow path. You are confusing two unrelated topics.
The Bible even instructs believers to go as far as to expelling a brother/sister from the church if their instruction was not enough to bring the person to repentance. It is done with love and with the purpose of helping.
You do not have to agree with it. If you don't want to receive help, or to give it, then don't. I urge you to study this topic though because it seems you have not understood it.
No confusion Finn.I am seeing double standards,that man can impose help upon a man without the man's request, but God cannot do the same.
Yes i know you said believer. God is not a respecter of person.
Judgement begins and ends with us.
Paul said "And you are proud!" 1 Cor 5:2 . If you read Corinthians it's apparent that the Corinth Church had a number of issues. If it hadn't that kind of behavior would not have occured.In otherwords we bring judgement upon ourselves, we bring what's going on in our world ourselves.The Corinth church as a whole were in no position to judge. This is why the Church is rejected today, not only by the world, but all who are leaving the churches in their droves, they are sick to the back teeth of being judged by those do not judge themselves(the hypocrits with beams in their eyes). They will come back when we have removed the beam from our eye.
And I thought you did not believe in asking for it..... Are you saying now it is convenient to believe otherwise? But then again, one thing has nothing to do with the other.
Did i say anything to the contrary ?.
For the record.I do believe in asking seeking and finding all by the desire God places in our hearts.
"I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me; I was found by those who did not seek me. To a nation that did not call on my name, I said, 'Here am I, here am I. Isaiah 65:1
Perhaps you should read the Bible quotes earlier in the thread. Maybe they will help you understand the issue. With your current understanding every post you make here is self-righteous imposition.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
There is that reading comprehension problem again, Finn . . . It is YOUR views that are self-righteous imposition . . . helping people who do not ask for nor consent to receiving your "help."
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
This post is another example of the kind of judgment we should NOT participate in. It is given in wrong spirit.
I agree your judgment in the bold above is definitely in the wrong spirit, Finn. But mine is simply reiterating the obvious . . . that "help" not asked for or consented to is NOT "help," period.
Judgment is never loving, trettep . . . No one feels loved by being judged. They just feel judged. Explain your understanding of the "Good or Evil" issue in question . . . but NOT your evaluation of them.
Righteous Judgement is always a demonstration of love.
Judgement should begin and remain with the house of God(which we are)until we learn to judge righteously .When we point our brother to the solution rather than his fault(which by the way most us usually know our own faults anyway, unless we are hypocrit's that is) then we have learned to judge righteously......Behold the Lamb of God.
To me there's nothing more odd as a blind man trying to judge is brother by pointing out there's something in his eye, at the very least you would think the reverse would make sense. You are exactly right Mystic, Jesus was using a figure of speech,and pointing out the absurdity of judging another. When our eye is single we see God not the fault in our brother.
The fact we are beholding the fault in our brother tells us that our light is actually darkness.
When your eyes are good, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are bad, your body also is full of darkness.See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness.Therefore, if your whole body is full of light, and no part of it dark, it will be completely lighted, as when the light of a lamp shines on you.”Luke 11
Do you see that ,See to it then, that the light within you not your brother is not darkness.When we are being all that we want our brother to be, we are a light to that brother.
A brother will never seek correction if he is never determined to be at fault.
If you see it as a purely negative thing, then it is better if you refrain from using it.
A man who knows himself wisely refrains from it,he trusts that God is able to turn a brothers fault(a mote in his eye) around by being(this is the way,walk ye in it)what he wants the brother to be(this is righteous judgement),he's no fault finder.
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