The Insidious Cleverness of the Satanic Corruption of Christ's Gospel (church, beliefs)

[Mikelee81]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Paul clearly explained this feature of his teachings, apparently unnoticed by today's apostles, in

I Corinthians 3:1

. . . And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but only as carnal, as to little ones in Christ. I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Nor are you now ready for it, for you are still carnal.

Paul tells us, Jesus tells us, virtually every other source of doctrine similarly reveals that what has been said and recorded was geared to the capabilities, understanding, and sophistication of the original audience. Since it was necessary to "feed milk instead of solid food" to the early audience, this necessity must become clear eventually and be recognized. Otherwise, we would forever "drink milk and ignore solid food."

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:" (Colossians 2:8-10 KJV)

Like I said before, people either allegorize the scriptures or take it literally. While certain similes, metaphors, ect are clear, I believe it is naive to not at least look at the other side of the picture especially when events have been unfolding in front of our eyes. I believe the evidence shows we should take it more literally than we have. Jesus held the Jews accountable for not discerning the times. The result was the descruction of the temple in 70AD.

I think it's very dangerous to distance oneself from the authority of scripture. God told us not to. Also when you look at his teachings against the Pharisees and Sadducees, it's clear than many of the religious movements/(Christian institutions even) doing much of the same things. On one end we have doctrines that focus on man-made Laws/rituals/works (Pharisees) on the other hand we have the gnostic New Age/Islam Religion denying the deity of Jesus (Sadducee). I think it's clear the authority is the scripture.

As for 1 Corinthians 3, I believe it's talking about the maturity of a believer and how new believers will be weened onto the word of God til spiritual maturity. We are under the new covenant of Grace, but we aren't asked to ignore the Old Testament. In fact understanding the Old Testement is crucial to understanding the Book of Revelation.

[Mikelee81]

Blue Letter Bible - Commentaries - Chuck Smith - Transcriptions for the C2000 Series

I find this interesting.

"Envy, strife, divisions, marks of carnality"

"are ye not carnal and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are you not carnal? (1Cr 3:3-4)"

Referencing divisions in Christianity and how our own esoteric view of our denomination causes strife which is warned against if you take the Bible seriously. So there is a division between the "Church." The problem then is defining the "Church" through ecclesiology. The fundamentalist classifies the "Body of Christ" as the church as defined in the Bible. Others believe the church is an institution and theology.

So there lies a problem, because when political-religious authorities attempt force a theology on the bible-believing "fundamentalists", history has shown some pretty dark outcomes.

The core doctrine is love one another and love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and believe Jesus was God in the flesh and the Son of God. He was crucified, on the third day rose again, and ascended into heaven. If we live our lives by that doctrine than I think we're doing pretty good.

Shalom and Charis

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by lee9786

So you responded with this quote in my response to philosophers, false prophets, and antichrists. What are you trying to get at?

I was responding to this quote from your post:"

Originally Posted by lee9786

As for the concept regarding the carnal milk et al, not sure what you are saying. Not intending to be rude, but I honestly don't know what the point is of that part.
Praise Jesus!

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

How can you be sure that:
. . . And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but only as carnal, as to little ones in Christ. I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Nor are you now ready for it, for you are still carnal.
is true if the Bible is corrupted, as you assert?

Because I engage in intelligent exegesis and properly divide the scriptures using the unambiguous "mind of Christ" as the contextual hermeneutic filter. I find it is more intelligent and rational than accepting everything as infallible literal fact or dismissing it all as nonsense.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by lee9786

The core doctrine is love one another and love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and believe Jesus was God in the flesh and the Son of God. He was crucified, on the third day rose again, and ascended into heaven. If we live our lives by that doctrine than I think we're doing pretty good.
Shalom and Charis

I find nothing to disagree with in this post . . . especially the bold. But it is not a mere intellectual acceptance or belief . . . it has to be an inner acceptance and adoption of the Christ attitude in the bold. That is the true indicator of what we believe . . . not what we profess.

[Mikelee81]

"So you responded with this quote in my response to philosophers, false prophets, and antichrists. What are you trying to get at?"

The reference was toward the first mention below...

comment
"So who are we going to choose to listen to? Philosophers, Psychologists, False Prophets. Psychology can only treat the symptoms, not the cause."

response
"This call to retain the ancient ignorance of our ancestors and ignore modern knowledge and understanding is evil and dangerous . . . because it prohibits understanding ourselves and our ancestors. This prevents seeing what the carnal "milk" was that was necessary for them.. It stagnates human understanding to the carnal and primitive and allows of no progress from the carnal "milk" to the "solid food" of Christ's "love God and each other."


I still don't really get the point here. It seems we have very different perspectives what 1 Corinthian 3:1. I think it's talking about the growing maturity of a new believer and how they grow spiritually over time to where they can eventually "eat the body" of the word as a mature member of the body living fully in the spirit not flesh.

God gives us a little bit at a time according to how we respond to the gospel moved by the Holy Spirit.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Reverend1111

Tin robots created by a tin God.

I love the way you have broken it all down and really spelling it out the way it should be. People get so caught up in what their parents a grand parents believe that they have no idea how to think for themselves.

Think? So, you know God because you thought about it and finally figured it out? Maybe you should allow the Holy Spirit teach you as opposed to thinking about. After all, it is a matter of faith, not logic.

Not a day goes by without someone opening a new thread to point out flaws in others.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by lee9786

"So you responded with this quote in my response to philosophers, false prophets, and antichrists. What are you trying to get at?"

The reference was toward the first mention below...

comment
"So who are we going to choose to listen to? Philosophers, Psychologists, False Prophets. Psychology can only treat the symptoms, not the cause."

response
"This call to retain the ancient ignorance of our ancestors and ignore modern knowledge and understanding is evil and dangerous . . . because it prohibits understanding ourselves and our ancestors. This prevents seeing what the carnal "milk" was that was necessary for them.. It stagnates human understanding to the carnal and primitive and allows of no progress from the carnal "milk" to the "solid food" of Christ's "love God and each other."


I still don't really get the point here. It seems we have very different perspectives what 1 Corinthian 3:1. I think it's talking about the growing maturity of a new believer and how they grow spiritually over time to where they can eventually "eat the body" of the word as a mature member of the body living fully in the spirit not flesh.

No . . . it is very clearly telling those at the time that they are too carnal to be given the more spiritual understanding and mysteries of the Gospel because they were not ready for it. For example, they were very superstitious and extremely fearful of Spirits . . . how could they be expected to accept and understand Christ's rebirth as Spirit or that we are destined to the same rebirth as Spirit. All they knew was carnal things and rules and laws of Kings and rulers. Self-control for any other reason was virtually non-existent . . . let alone some ideal of agape love, etc. etc. etc. Carnal minds focused on carnal things . . . virtual spiritual toddlers.

[Mikelee81]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

No . . . it is very clearly telling those at the time that they are too carnal to be given the more spiritual understanding and mysteries of the Gospel because they were not ready for it. For example, they were very superstitious and extremely fearful of Spirits . . . how could they be expected to accept and understand Christ's rebirth as Spirit or that we are destined to the same rebirth as Spirit. All they knew was carnal things and rules and laws of Kings and rulers. Self-control for any other reason was virtually non-existent . . . let alone some ideal of agape love, etc. etc. etc. Carnal minds focused on carnal things . . . virtual spiritual toddlers.

So how does this tie into ...

"So you responded with this quote in my response to philosophers, false prophets, and antichrists. What are you trying to get at?" <<<that

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Not a day goes by without someone opening a new thread to point out flaws in others.

You have to stop thinking the world is out to point out your flaws, Finn. Nobody is. We are pointing out flaws and corruptions that have infected the Gospel of Christ through ignorance and deliberate artifice. It has nothing to do with YOU or anybody else, Finn.