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Old 04-15-2011, 07:24 PM
 
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:22 PM
 
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For those of you who do not preach a Gospel of coming judgment and only love and peace, why should I consider Jesus Christ if my life is already complete, at peace, prosperous and healthy? What if I already love my fellow man and want the best for all and live an upright life? What if I don’t struggle with any vice and treat others with respect. What if my only flaw (in your eyes) is that I don’t believe in your god? Isn’t it neither here nor there when all is said and done? What else can Jesus offer that I don’t know about or need? What if, in the end, you're no different from me?
I think that is something only YOU can answer.
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Old 04-15-2011, 10:43 PM
 
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I think that is something only YOU can answer.
Well, so far, I have not read of anything he can offer me different than what I already have. Apparently there is nothing to save me from, money for him to give me or even the ability to go back to being 25 again (forever).
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Old 04-16-2011, 08:21 AM
 
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:39 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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For those of you who do not preach a Gospel of coming judgment and only love and peace, why should I consider Jesus Christ if my life is already complete, at peace, prosperous and healthy? What if I already love my fellow man and want the best for all and live an upright life? What if I don’t struggle with any vice and treat others with respect. What if my only flaw (in your eyes) is that I don’t believe in your god? Isn’t it neither here nor there when all is said and done? What else can Jesus offer that I don’t know about or need? What if, in the end, you're no different from me?
Hi IDM,
In the beginning God had a reason for creating mankind. His purposes have been temporarily put on hold because of sin (which the Bible tells us is transgression against His laws ....1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law....in other words, rebellion), nevertheless, God's intentions remain the same, and He will in the end accomplish what He set out to do in the beginning.
But first He had to deal with the sin problem. Why? Because sin separates. Because sin directly gets in the way of what God ultimately wants to do. And that my friend is enjoy your company. Fellowship, spend time with, be friends with, be a Father to. That is why we were created. That God and man may be so close and connected through love that there would be no division. But sin divided. But more than that, the natural result of separation from the one single source of all life must inevitably be death.
So God had to take steps to make it possible for man to avoid that inevitability. He had to die in our place. If we died, (eternally I mean) then we would be lost to Him forever.
That is what Jesus offers you that you now do not have. Forgiveness of all your sin and freedom from all condemnation. A genuine one on one relationship with the Creator of the universe. The promise of resurrection to eternal life when Jesus returns, or, if still alive then, translation into a glorious new body (no crook knees) and no more sickness, death, war, sadness, shame, hatred, sin. Forever.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.


Jer. 9:23 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:52 PM
 
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Hi IDM,
In the beginning God had a reason for creating mankind. His purposes have been temporarily put on hold because of sin (which the Bible tells us is transgression against His laws ....1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law....in other words, rebellion), nevertheless, God's intentions remain the same, and He will in the end accomplish what He set out to do in the beginning.
But first He had to deal with the sin problem. Why? Because sin separates. Because sin directly gets in the way of what God ultimately wants to do. And that my friend is enjoy your company. Fellowship, spend time with, be friends with, be a Father to. That is why we were created. That God and man may be so close and connected through love that there would be no division. But sin divided. But more than that, the natural result of separation from the one single source of all life must inevitably be death.
So God had to take steps to make it possible for man to avoid that inevitability. He had to die in our place. If we died, (eternally I mean) then we would be lost to Him forever.
That is what Jesus offers you that you now do not have. Forgiveness of all your sin and freedom from all condemnation. A genuine one on one relationship with the Creator of the universe. The promise of resurrection to eternal life when Jesus returns, or, if still alive then, translation into a glorious new body (no crook knees) and no more sickness, death, war, sadness, shame, hatred, sin. Forever.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.


Jer. 9:23 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
Amen....
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:56 PM
 
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Well, so far, I have not read of anything he can offer me different than what I already have. Apparently there is nothing to save me from, money for him to give me or even the ability to go back to being 25 again (forever).
are you sure about that? perhaps you're doing too much assuming.
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Old 04-17-2011, 09:19 PM
 
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are you sure about that? perhaps you're doing too much assuming.
Well he "knows the desires of my heart" (they tell me) and I have yet to see them fulfilled, so....
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Old 04-17-2011, 09:25 PM
 
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Well he "knows the desires of my heart" (they tell me) and I have yet to see them fulfilled, so....
He knows the real ones, Insane . . . not the ones you think you have for reasons even you do not fully understand. We may think we want money. But what we actually want is what we think we will have once we get the money . . . but there is not necessarily any connection between them at all. There may be other ways to what we actually want in our ignorance.
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Old 04-17-2011, 10:29 PM
 
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Well he "knows the desires of my heart" (they tell me) and I have yet to see them fulfilled, so....
hmm I think you see it the wrong way...it's when you want what HE wants for you,content to be led in that way,then your desires line up with His and they become fulfilled..not the other way around.
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