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The two verses mean the same thing but the wicked fail to have understanding in order to do what is right and enter the kingdom of heaven.
Plus calling Jesus "Lord" means accepting him as your Lord or master. That means obedience to his commands, which of course he gets from his Father, so the Father's commands/will.
Try just a few:
Matthew 5:43-44 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 25:40 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
John 13:35 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Matthew 9:37-38 37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; 38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
Matthew 28:19-20 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
It is more than just saying the words, it is obeying all that Christ commanded, doing his Father's will, or he is not a person's Lord at all.
Romans 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Acts 2:21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Thoughts?
There is a higher abundant life called the Zoe life kingdom. There are 3 sections of heaven and the sexual immoral, the thieves, the murderers, those that love to love a lie will never be able to reside in the higher Zoe kingdom but they are still saved. There are many examples showing this to be true when people have come into the Zoe kingdom only then to be escorted out. They come into the wedding banquet and are escorted out. The works of all men will be tested by fire and the majority watch as their work is destroyed but they themselves are saved but the ones who are able to stand in the fire receive reward above salvation, they receive the higher Zoe Kingdom.
Acts 2:38 and paul said unto them you must repent be baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost that is the beginning...calling out to lord saying Jesus I need you is only the first step then repenting
Romans 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Acts 2:21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Thoughts?
Context is everything. Words by themselves have numerous meaning and context is required to understand.
In Acts 2:21 it is refering to a prophesy of Joel of an event occurring in a particular time and place. Therefore trying to make this out as some kind of general rule is outrageous. A better candidate for a contradiction would be Romans 10:9 even though the words to do match up exactly.
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because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
But I think the context here is also critical. Romans 10 is contrasting a "righteousness based on the law" with a "righteousness based on faith." And I think we find here Paul's precise definition of legalism.
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5 Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on the law shall live by it. 6 But the righteousness based on faith says, Do not say in your heart, “Who will ascend into heaven?” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 or “Who will descend into the abyss?” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
If you think you have some criterion by which you can say who goes to heaven and who goes to hell then yours is a legalistic gospel of salvation by works. Paul says that those who live by faith do not think this way -- they don't even ask the question. What they do is not about finagling some rewards in heaven, but about doing what is good for its own sake out of a faith in God and even in goodness itself.
Romans 2:
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14 When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts,
By contrast Matthew 7:21 is talking about people with an attitude of entitlement:
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21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’
They think they have done enough for God to earn a place in heaven. But Jesus is saying it does not work that way. These passages with Matthew 19:16-26, 25:31-46 we see that salvation is a work of God to change the human heart to do what good and right not for gain but because it what you want to do.
People even feel the falseness of those who are doing good works just because these religious are trying to look good and sell their religion to people. It is an ugly thing which leaves a bad taste in their mouth because it feels like these religious don't care anything about them as people and so they just end up feeling manipulated and used.
Romans 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Acts 2:21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Thoughts?
Sometimes it takes more than a single teaching to make up a whole truth. Like romans-Acts= partial truth.
Matt 7:21-23--- Here, Jesus shows truth-- these loved Jesus so much they did powerful works, and other things in his name--yet they practiced a sin( worker of iniquity)--and Jesus was clear--many will lose. Yet they all will be calling on the name of the Lord. Most think it means Jesus. but it does not--YHWH(Jehovah) is the only true living God.
Trinity translations--refuse to put Gods personal name in the NT--in fact they have totally removed it from the ot I think--nearly 6800 places in the ot--every spot where--GOD or LORD is. The name YHWH(Jehovah) belongs.
So in reality--all who call on the name of the Lord and are living to do the Fathers will now will be saved--that is a whole truth.
So in reality--all who call on the name of the Lord and are living to do the Fathers will now will be saved--that is a whole truth.
The problem is that those in Matthew 7 did think they were doing God's will. The Nazis thought they were doing God's will. Anybody can delude themselves into thinking they are doing God's will and even to use the Bible to back their delusions up.
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Sometimes it takes more than a single teaching to make up a whole truth. Like romans-Acts= partial truth.
Yes, people can ignore the context and the intended meaning to dodge other scriptures and use them to as an excuse to rewrite the text as they like.
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Matt 7:21-23--- Here, Jesus shows truth-- these loved Jesus so much they did powerful works, and other things in his name--yet they practiced a sin( worker of iniquity)--and Jesus was clear--many will lose.
Of course we can assume there is sin because EVERYONE has sin (Romans 3:23-24). Otherwise there would be no need for salvation, because sin is what we need salvation from. Yes their sin is what will destroy them as it will destroy us all if God does not save us. The real question is why Jesus said He did not know them. The problem Jesus is speaking about in Matt 7:21-13 as with Luke 18:9-14 is an attitude of entitlement. That is attitude is the enemy of grace and will cause it dry up and fall away from under you. There is no room for self-righteousness in a Christian.
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Yet they all will be calling on the name of the Lord. Most think it means Jesus. but it does not--YHWH(Jehovah) is the only true living God.
Trinity translations--refuse to put Gods personal name in the NT--in fact they have totally removed it from the ot I think--nearly 6800 places in the ot--every spot where--GOD or LORD is. The name YHWH(Jehovah) belongs.
Jehovah Witness delusion that some name means they can own and control God. Why should God have any name at all? There is only one God and so when Moses asked about this, God answered, "I am who I am." And thus we humans turned it into the name Yahweh. But to make this into an reason for entitlement makes a mockery of everything Jesus taught.
Romans 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Acts 2:21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Thoughts?
I've evolved to the point that I say. "I'm 90% sure there is a God who made the universe and humans. I'll give 10% to the atheists simply because they have a point; God has never told us He is up there.
I don't believe in Jesus Christ anymore. All the evidence says he was either just a wandering itinerant apocalyptic rabbi who drew some followers around him like hundreds of others at the time, got himself crucified for sedition and that was the end of him, or he was a myth stitched together from a dozen other dying/rising savior gods prevalent at the time. It remained for the church leaders a hundred or so years later to patch together a set of documents outlining what their congregations should believe if they wanted to call themselves Christians, which today we call the New Testament.
But would I call on the name of the Lord? Sure, why not. What have I got to lose? If it does turn out on a long-shot that all this crazy Bible stuff is true I'll cover all my bases and on my deathbed I'll say, "Lord Jesus, you know how weak a creature I am. Please forgive me my sins in your name and honor your promise which says, "Whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved".
But would I call on the name of the Lord? Sure, why not. What have I got to lose? If it does turn out on a long-shot that all this crazy Bible stuff is true I'll cover all my bases and on my deathbed I'll say, "Lord Jesus, you know how weak a creature I am. Please forgive me my sins in your name and honor your promise which says, "Whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved".
Wishful thinking.
Matthew 19:
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16 And behold, one came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which?” And Jesus said, “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to him, “All these I have observed; what do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful; for he had great possessions. 23 And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 25 When the disciples heard this they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Why didn't Jesus just tell him to "call on the name of the Lord"? If that is all it took, then why didn't Jesus just answer the man's question? Was Jesus just being sadistic? No, because this quote from Joel taken out of context doesn't mean anything. Jesus even said in Matthew 7 that it will not work. There are no shortcuts. This isn't about doing a few things and getting it taken care of like the magical xtians say. They are selling bad merchandise.
Wishful thinking.Matthew 19:
Why didn't Jesus just tell him to "call on the name of the Lord"? If that is all it took, then why didn't Jesus just answer the man's question? Was Jesus just being sadistic? No, because this quote from Joel taken out of context doesn't mean anything. Jesus even said in Matthew 7 that it will not work. There are no shortcuts. This isn't about doing a few things and getting it taken care of like the magical xtians say. They are selling bad merchandise.
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