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The gospel IS NOT ET, nor does it revolve around it. The gospel is the good news of Jesus Christ and salvation, and very simply love God and each other. Why do you have to make it so complicated? And yes, God has been successful in revealing His truth to humanity, that Jesus Christ is the Savior of ALL. Not ALL believe it, but that does not make it invalid.
It is not complicated: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
It does NOT say: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that NOBODY will perish and EVERYONE have eternal life
My faith revolves around salvation, not ET. ET revolves around the conversations on this discussion board, and only because the unis insist on talking about it.
Trust me, if only a very small fraction of humanity have been revealed the uni message, while everyone else (99.99%) has been fed lies, then it would indeed mean that God failed miserably to reveal it to humanity, but thanks goodness that is not the case.
Indeed. That's all there is to it. Uni's believe they have experienced a "higher revelation" as if they were some kind of spiritual elite, but that thought right there should make them wonder why God would reveal the truth only to a very small fraction of humanity (there are very few universalists), and leave 99.999% in the dark. That would signify a colossal failure on God's part. But no, billions of people have been revealed the truth of the Gospel. Some accept it and some reject it, but God has been successful in revealing His truth to humanity.
Finn there are far more universalists than you are suggesting . Whose counting anyway ?. The answer to why you think God is only revealing the reality of universal reconcilation to a certain few is, he's not revealing it to a certain few, the answer is some are accepting it and some are rejecting it(your very own theory in regards to truth). This has happened through out the ages.When ever we believe we have and know all the truth there is, we have no other choice but to reject what we have not seen or heard before.
Finn there are far more universalists than you are suggesting . Whose counting anyway ?. The answer to why you think God is only revealing the reality of universal reconcilation to a certain few is, he's not revealing it to a certain few, the answer is some are accepting it and some are rejecting it(your very own theory in regards to truth). This has happened through out the ages.When ever we believe we have and know all the truth there is, we have no other choice but to reject what we have not seen or heard before.
You have to accept it? You credit yourself for it? Interesting, and a complete 180 turn from what you have said in the past.
Trust me, if only a very small fraction of humanity have been revealed the uni message, while everyone else (99.99%) has been fed lies, then it would indeed mean that God failed miserably to reveal it to humanity, but thanks goodness that is not the case.
Trust me, if only a very small fraction of humanity will be saved, while everyone else (99.99%) is not, then it would indeed mean that God failed miserably to save humanity through Jesus, but thank goodness that is not the case.
Well, If you would read some gnostic texts you would see the similarity in it....Secret revalations, higher revelations, etc, etc....
There are no secret or higher revelations . . . but there are far more intelligent and knowledgeable understanding of the existing revelations (solid food) instead of the ancient ignorance (milk).
Trust me, if only a very small fraction of humanity will be saved, while everyone else (99.99%) is not, then it would indeed mean that God failed miserably to save humanity through Jesus, but thank goodness that is not the case.
Facts prove that the message of salvation though faith has been revealed to more than just 0.01%.
Many things are incompatible with the good news, having come forth from the hierarchy of traditional Christianity.
Characteristically, blending a multitude of various beliefs in order to reconcile them under their leadership of controlling the masses that ultimately led to the unification of conflicting principles and diminished the truth.
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The bold should help your reading comprehension of the main point of the force that led to religions corrupting Christ's Gospel for their own agenda of power and control.
"Uni's", as you put it, do not believe they have a "higher revelation".....nor do we believe we're some kind of spiritual elite. We have the same exact gospel, the same exact Bible that we follow as YOU.....separation of us/them is only in your mind, Finn....we're not the ones claiming you aren't a Christian. We ARE Christians, and for whatever reason God has shown us a different truth concerning eternal fate. Just because the masses believe ET does not make it true....it's been taught that way for centuries and it's ingrained as something that cannot be questioned or cannot be wrong.
The gospel IS NOT ET, nor does it revolve around it. The gospel is the good news of Jesus Christ and salvation, and very simply love God and each other. Why do you have to make it so complicated? And yes, God has been successful in revealing His truth to humanity, that Jesus Christ is the Savior of ALL. Not ALL believe it, but that does not make it invalid.
You have to accept it? You credit yourself for it? Interesting, and a complete 180 turn from what you have said in the past.
Finn.... God is causing all to accept.
A man can receive nothing unless it be given to him from above .Freely you received,freely give. In otherwords we did not earn in any way shape or form what we have.
It only takes humbling ourselves to acknowledge all we have is because of him.
It is not complicated: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
There is no disagreement about this so why keep pretending there is,Finn? The difference is over what that means and what we were saved from . . . very different issues that do not alter the fundamental faith in Christ that is critical to our adopting "love of God and each other."
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Amen, Ilene! 
