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Old 01-03-2022, 09:12 PM
 
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Isaiah 14:12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, who didst weaken the nations!


"Who didst weaken the nations!"

But who are the nations referred to here.
In the Garden of Eden, there were Adam, Eve and the talking snake. As we know, the talking snake deceived Adam and Eve to disobey God. Adam and Eve heeded to the deception of the snake and their action angered God. It is considered a rebellion. The talking snake is also Lucifer.

Some people say : You are following our ancestors' wrathful and vengeful War God, NOT the God revealed and demonstrated by Jesus on the Cross.
What vengeance means :

Vengeance the dictionary defined it, punishment inflicted or retribution exacted for an injury or wrong
God was injured because of the rebellion of Adam and Eve.
But who is Adam and Eve. They are all the peoples of all the nations. (How art thou cut down to the ground, who didst weaken the nations!). It was me, you, them and all mankind rebelled against God in the pre-mortal life,

The Garden of Eden is in the pre-mortal life or pre-existing life happened before the foundation of the world, that was billions of years ago. But where is the Garden of Eden located. It is located in heaven as said in Isaiah 14:12. The 3 characters Adam, Eve and Lucifer were in there. In heaven there is no material being, no fleshly body but only spirits or souls.


Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath; for it is written: “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”


The GOOD NEWS is all these wrath and vengeance were all blotted out after the cross event. Jesus Christ paid for it by shedding his blood.

As it is said in John 1:29..The next day John saw Jesus coming unto him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world!
The wrath and vengeance of God was blotted out after the cross event for those who believed in the son of God remission of sin.
But for those who did not believed, the wrath of God still remains in them and if they don't change their belief, they are doomed to eternal punishment.

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Old 01-03-2022, 09:45 PM
 
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Isa 14:4**That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isa 14:5**The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
Isa 14:6**He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

Isa 14:9**Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa 14:10**All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11**Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Nothing about Adam and Eve there
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Old 01-03-2022, 10:16 PM
 
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Isa 14:4**That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isa 14:5**The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
Isa 14:6**He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

Isa 14:9**Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa 14:10**All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11**Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Nothing about Adam and Eve there

I can see that you have no knowledge of the pre-mortal life.
The action of Lucifer in the Garden of Eden was equated to the action of the king of Babylon as this would happened billions of years after the event in the Garden of Eden.

A person would misunderstood the scripture if that person has no knowledge of the pre-mortal life.
You did not get the message in Genesis Chapters 2 and 3, which is pre-mortal life, and it involves all the souls of all the peoples of all nations represented by Adam and Eve.
The last activity of Lucifer was the deception of Adam and Eve before he was expelled from the Garden of Eden.
In Ezekiel 28:13
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering: the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold; the workmanship of thy taborets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty; thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness. I will cast thee to the ground; I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

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Old 01-03-2022, 10:27 PM
 
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I can see that you have no knowledge of the pre-mortal life.
The action of Lucifer in the Garden of Eden was equated to the action of the king of Babylon as this would happened billions of years after the event in the Garden of Eden.

A person would misunderstood the scripture if that person has no knowledge of the pre-mortal life.
Speculation

A lot of religious stories are not supposed to be taken literally, they combine different allegories, metaphors, symbols, parables, etc and need to be treated with caution

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Old 01-03-2022, 11:15 PM
 
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Speculation

A lot of religious stories are not supposed to be taken literally, they combine different allegories, metaphors, symbols, parables, etc and need to be treated with caution

The Book of Genesis is the foundation in order to understand all the books in the OT and NT.
If you missed the message of Genesis 2 and 3 you would misunderstood the rest of the books.


There is no material creation in the Book of Genesis Chapters 1, 2, 3 etc , the reason they put it before all the books.
It is all about spiritual creation, Adam, Eve, the serpent, Lucifer Garden of Eden, Tree of Knowledge , Tree of Life is all spirits.
The location is in heaven the kingdom of God. Because of the event in the Garden of Eden Mankind was separated from God
And we owe to be back to where we came from. In the second coming of the Son of God He will collect all the people of God, those name is written in the Book of Life will be with God and with Christ in heaven.

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