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Old 04-28-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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Christ is a principle and must be obtained and any person can become a Christ by following the teachings of Jesus.
Really? Your not throwing around Christ consciousness propaganda are you?

God makes it clear there is one messiah that is the lamb to take away the sins of the world. This messiah was God in the flesh Christ Jesus (Christ = title; Jesus = name.) He is the only one that has this power.

People that follow this christ consciousness lie will be following a certain path towards damnation. I can imagine nothing more insulting to our creator. I'd think more than twice about following this false teaching.

If you're talking about how believers are part the "Body of Christ" by succumbing to his lordship, denying self, and following his every word; than I agree. If this is the case, be careful what terminology is being used. Christ = messiah and there is only one and will ever be only one.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:25 PM
 
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If God is all merciful, why would he demand "paying a price." Does God charge for forgiveness?

Wasn't it Paul who came up with the atonement theory to explain why Jesus had to die?

A Covenantal View of Atonement | The Paul Page
Your post is displaying general ignorance towards the entire Bible. Almost the entire Bible is talking about the redemption of God's creation and mankind. I'm not even sure this comment warrants a response. Start at Genesis 3 and finish at Revelation 22. It explains everything... Ignorance is not bliss, it's dangerous.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:13 PM
 
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Lee9786 posted:

Matthew 24:36 My interpretation of this is that has a deeper meaning than we as humans can understand. I wouldn't recommend creating doctrine out of one-verse theology questioning the divinity of Christ. That move could be proven fatal, especially when the rest of the book points to Jesus Christ as God manifest in the flesh. One verse theology is a bad idea. Take the whole canon to understand. Colossians does a good job explaining as this letter was directed towards those that challenged his deity. Here' s couple verses.


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Actually, it doesn't. Please note that Jesus dosen't rise (active-by his own power) from the dead until we get to John's gospel (c 95-1105 AD).
He is raised (passive-God's power) from the dead like Lazarus.

Acts 2:22-24 "You who are Israelites, hear these words. Jesus the Nazorean was a man commended to you by God with mighty deeds, wonders, and signs, which God worked through him in your midst, as you yourselves know. This man, delivered up by the set plan and foreknowledge of God, you killed, using lawless men to crucify him. But God raised him up, releasing him from the throes of death, because it was impossible for him to be held by it."

Mark 10:18 "And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God. "

Matthew 24:36 "But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."

(NB Evidently Jesus lacks omniscience since he lacks divinity.)
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:30 PM
 
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QUESTIONS:

If God is all merciful, why would he demand "paying a price." Does God charge for forgiveness?

Wasn't it Paul who came up with the atonement theory to explain why Jesus had to die?

A Covenantal View of Atonement | The Paul Page
There was no price to pay . . . there was no atonement . . . there was the attainment of "perfect resonance" (= Identity) with God consciousness in a HUMAN consciousness . . . which NONE of us were capable of achieving. Our species would have remained eternally separated from God because of our failures (sins) . . . but Jesus removed that separation and ALL human consciousness now has a connection to God through Christ's human consciousness as part of the collective human consciousness.

His torture and death was inevitable during the era in which He brought His message of acceptance and "love of God and each other." The barbaric religious leaders were expecting (and demanding) a wrathful, smiting King and God to lead them out from under the Roman rule. Jesus was NOT who they expected nor who they would allow to influence the people. Even Judas believed in such a smiting powerful God . . . so he was convinced that Jesus would be forced to display His godly powers once they tried to scourge and kill Him. God and Jesus knew what they would do to Him . . . but neither of them (least of all Jesus) required it or demanded it. He endured it out of perfect love for us ALL because "we knew not what we did."
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Old 04-29-2011, 01:51 AM
 
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But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night: in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up, Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness.

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Old 04-29-2011, 03:35 AM
 
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Really? Your not throwing around Christ consciousness propaganda are you?

God makes it clear there is one messiah that is the lamb to take away the sins of the world. This messiah was God in the flesh Christ Jesus (Christ = title; Jesus = name.) He is the only one that has this power.

People that follow this christ consciousness lie will be following a certain path towards damnation. I can imagine nothing more insulting to our creator. I'd think more than twice about following this false teaching.

If you're talking about how believers are part the "Body of Christ" by succumbing to his lordship, denying self, and following his every word; than I agree. If this is the case, be careful what terminology is being used. Christ = messiah and there is only one and will ever be only one.
Jesus became a Christ so that the way to God could be opened. Before Jesus, there was no chance at all that any of us would get to the Kingdom of Heaven. By becoming fully Divine, He gave the chance for the same Divinity to all that ask.

If praying for, and receiving God's Divine Love as Jesus showed, is a path towards "damnation", I'll take that path. It's better than relying on someone else to pay all my debts. Unless you have died and know every single thing there is to know about God, please don't tell others that your path is the only path. We are all on a journey and that journey is ours alone. It's not your decision to make.
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Old 04-29-2011, 04:05 AM
 
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"Who is Jesus Christ?"

He is the polar opposite of Adam. What Adam brought, Christ took away. Like the poles of "positive" and "negative," although both were sons of God, yet they are in contrast and opposing forces.
Jesus Christ "reversed the polarity" of man's condition, bringing in Life and Justification to all-- thereby beginning the restoration of what Adam caused in the beginning.

Blessings!
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Old 04-29-2011, 06:58 AM
 
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Your post is displaying general ignorance towards the entire Bible. Almost the entire Bible is talking about the redemption of God's creation and mankind. I'm not even sure this comment warrants a response. Start at Genesis 3 and finish at Revelation 22. It explains everything... Ignorance is not bliss, it's dangerous.
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Please cite your reference to the messiah's death as "atonement" for sin in the Old Testament.

It was necessary to justify Jesus' execution as an insurrectionist, a bit of an embarassment to his followers. Paul did this.
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Old 04-29-2011, 07:02 AM
 
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But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night: in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up, Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness.

The way God cleans up the mess lee

Arena
in the valley
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Wasn't this supposed to have occurred during the lifetime of Jesus' original followers? Did it?

1 Thes 4:15_16
Indeed, we tell you this, on the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will surely not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself, with a word of command, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God, will come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:37 AM
 
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Please cite your reference to the messiah's death as "atonement" for sin in the Old Testament.

It was necessary to justify Jesus' execution as an insurrectionist, a bit of an embarassment to his followers. Paul did this.

YouTube - Hidden Message in Genesis. WOW!

Sure keep telling yourself that.
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