Will osama bin laden burn in hell? (scripture, faith, eternity)

[Mike555]

Originally Posted by .sparrow.

You are not understanding what "God's justice" actually IS.

God IS love. Justice is part of the LOVE, it is not SEPARATE.
You are thinking of "justice" in your fleshy human carnal mind who demands an "eye for an eye".

Remember Jesus. "You have heard it said ________, but I SAY..."

I will NOT Debate or argue this.

I know you do not yet see this, so debate is futile.

Peace and good night.
sparrow

To the contrary. God's love can only bless. But God's Justice can both bless and curse. God values His holiness above all else. And God's Justice which is the functiion of His integrity or holiness must act in accordance with His righteousness which is the principle of His integrity. That which divine Righteousness approves of, divne Justice must bless. That which divine Righteousness disapproves of, divine Justice must curse.

God's love must be filtered through His Justice when dealing with sinful mankind. The cross was necessary in order for God's righteous demands to be satisfied. God judically imputed mans sins to Christ on the cross and judged them. This allows the Justice of God to bless whoever receives Christ as Savior with eternal life. But for those who reject Christ as Savior, God's Justice must come into play through condemnation.

I tell you this. Many of you Universalists never understood the issue involved in salvation and were never saved. Many of you are on your way to eternity in the lake of fire. Some of you may have understood the issue and were saved, but then turned away from the truth. Those of you who are in this category remain saved, but will have lost eternal reward.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Mike555

God's love cannot compromise His Justice.

The salvation of all is the result of his Justice, so you are right, Gods love does not compromise his justice at all.

[Fred314X]

Originally Posted by sun queen

I have been reading on other forums cheers over the death of Osama Bin Laden, and people rejoicing over the certainty that he is now in hell... The local country western radio station in my neck of the woods even made up a song about it and have been broadcasting it all day. How can anyone be sure he is in Hell?

It's always nice when someone posts an easy question to answer. Nobody can be sure, partly because nobody knows and partly because there isn't any scientific evidence for the existence of Hell.

[Pleroo]

Originally Posted by sun queen

How can anyone be sure he is in Hell?

The man is dead and no longer a threat to anyone. One has to wonder what within a person causes them to desire that he also be suffering. Seems like it might be a good thing to reflect on how harboring that desire in one's heart might be impacting one's own character and peace of mind.

[ahigherway]

Originally Posted by Mike555

To the contrary. God's love can only bless. But God's Justice can both bless and curse. God values His holiness above all else. And God's Justice which is the functiion of His integrity or holiness must act in accordance with His righteousness which is the principle of His integrity. That which divine Righteousness approves of, divne Justice must bless. That which divine Righteousness disapproves of, divine Justice must curse.

God's love must be filtered through His Justice when dealing with sinful mankind. The cross was necessary in order for God's righteous demands to be satisfied. God judically imputed mans sins to Christ on the cross and judged them. This allows the Justice of God to bless whoever receives Christ as Savior with eternal life. But for those who reject Christ as Savior, God's Justice must come into play through condemnation.

I tell you this. Many of you Universalists never understood the issue involved in salvation and were never saved. Many of you are on your way to eternity in the lake of fire. Some of you may have understood the issue and were saved, but then turned away from the truth. Those of you who are in this category remain saved, but will have lost eternal reward.

We need more love, Mike! Can't find it in your posts...


peace,
brian

[GreenScoutII]

Originally Posted by sun queen

Who knows Osama's heart except the God who created him?

Good point.... That's something between God and OBL.....

I think we should celebrate the the fact that our Navy Seals were able to arrange a meeting between the two of them so they can sort it out......

Oh, I'm pretty sure Osama is roasting as we speak.......

[.sparrow.]

Originally Posted by Pleroo

The man is dead and no longer a threat to anyone. One has to wonder what within a person causes them to desire that he also be suffering. Seems like it might be a good thing to reflect on how harboring that desire in one's heart might be impacting one's own character and peace of mind.

Good point. Ideas of justice are extremely skewed. How many people all over the world right now are thinking that Osama truly is headed for a place where he will be tormented endlessly, on and on and on and on and on forever, without ceasing, without a break, just on and on and on and on. And THAT is justice? How is rendering to Osama millions, billions, trillions times trillions times trillions time trillions time trillions time trillions... etc. WORSE actions than what he himself committed in his brief life, somehow "justice". And yes, being tormented forever is MOST DEFINITELY WORSE than what he did on earth.

Making God out to be a worse inflictor of non-love. Ridiculous. God is LOVE.


Would not the HIGHEST justice coming from a being who calls itself "LOVE" not be beyond our pathetic, vengeance seeking? Vengeance seeking that does nothing to remedy the CORE SITUATION?

Would not the HIGHEST justice for all of this death and destruction and pain and suffering be that the non-love and the extremes that it went to have been ERADICATED and eventually LOVE filling the space that has been created. Love filling that void that has been created? THAT is God's JUSTICE. Of the highest order. That is the power of God.


Love conquers ALL.
Even and ESPECIALLY the "Osama Bin Ladens" of the world.
Look closely at yourself in the mirror, with your hope that he is burning forever and ever and ever....with that hope, do you not see Osama's face staring back at you? What you condemn in him, be sure similar things are not in your own heart. I am not accusing anyone of anything. Merely pointing out the obvious. Any shred of non-love within us is also darkness.
And it must be and WILL be eradicated.

Those who personally harmed my family members, I have had to eradicate the vengeance from MY heart. I can't tell you how freeing it is to do so. It can be done. Where before I had icy cold hatred towards certain people that brought great harm to my loved ones, now I see these people as I see myself. I no longer wish them harm. I look forward to the day that we can hold hands and rejoice at the magnificent power of LOVE. The power of GOD. I look forward to the day with an ever growing warmth of love in my heart. Some of the greatest of evils in this life, may serve to be some of the more profound testaments to the POWER of love in the next, when we see how that NON-LOVE has been overcome, CONQUERED by LOVE. Imagine as someone else pointed out earlier, Osama holding hands with someone he had killed, together rejoicing at the unbelievable power of LOVE. Of God's POWER.


If you can't see it, if that is unfathomable to you, or even "distasteful" to you... I CAN understand that. But leave your heart open, you don't know what the future may bring. You don't know how your view or perspective may change. I never thought I'd ever get rid of those icy cold steel daggers I had in my eyes looking at those who were my enemies. But miraculously, they are gone. Eradicated. and love DID fill the void.
Maybe you have to go through it to understand it. Understand just how LOVE really does conquer. and what "justice" truly means.
It doesn't happen overnight. It's a journey, and we're all in the midst of walking it.

[prettygirlracing]

well if he was christian then i would prolly have to be god and say "OF COURSE HE WILL"

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Mike555

I tell you this. Many of you Universalists never understood the issue involved in salvation and were never saved.

And that is the convenient fallacy of your doctrine. A person is not required to understand salvation to be saved.

[RobinD69]

Originally Posted by Mike555

If he didn't receive Jesus Christ as Savior before he died, he is now in the 'Torments' side of Hades (Luke 16:19-31) where he will remain until he is resurrected to stand before the great white throne judgment of Revelation 20:11-15. At that time he will be cast into the lake of fire where he will remain throughout the eternal future.

Contrary to what the Universalists are saying, he will not be saved later. He is eternally lost.

Amen Brother.