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If the lake of fire is in hell how is it that hell is hurled into the lake of fire?
Because it's the grave, no more dying.
You will only experience the state of dying; not death itself. Unless of course, there is no Resurrection, then you wouldn't experience anything!
Because it's the grave, no more dying. You will only experience the state of dying; not death itself. Unless of course, there is no Resurrection, then you wouldn't experience anything!
Good of you to open this HOT TOPIC that so many have very burning opinions about.
To my mind, both heaven and hell are within, and also without (in this world) in within our minds. Obviously,mortality itself ensures that anyone (all of us) who participate in the experience of living must experience a world of duality/opposites -- good/evil, up/down, left/right, to be/or not to be, haves and have-nots, sickness/health, etc.... In other words, to experience BEING, there must be this duality in order for the divine to manifest itself into time and space. But the notions many people have about God are rather uninformed, so much so that it doesn't take much more than reading a few books by even humorous men like Martin Zender (for example) to demonstrate how ridiculous some of our God-ideas truly are.
To see so many people suffering mentally and emotionally because of the terror-istic tactics and blindness of the religious dogma held within the strongholds of various sects is a source of profound sadness to those who have been given a vision of the vastness of hope and the breadth of God's love. Be that, as it may, the glory of BEING comes at a price - the price of experiencing terror within the heart and mind. And I think that is the way it is supposed to be (or at least, has to be).
Presently I'm in a hard place, but not as hard a place as some I've been in.
We must all find our place in the Son.
Good of you to open this HOT TOPIC that so many have very burning opinions about.
To my mind, both heaven and hell are within, and also without (in this world) in within our minds. Obviously,mortality itself ensures that anyone (all of us) who participate in the experience of living must experience a world of duality/opposites -- good/evil, up/down, left/right, to be/or not to be, haves and have-nots, sickness/health, etc.... In other words, to experience BEING, there must be this duality in order for the divine to manifest itself into time and space. But the notions many people have about God are rather uninformed, so much so that it doesn't take much more than reading a few books by even humorous men like Martin Zender (for example) to demonstrate how ridiculous some of our God-ideas truly are.
To see so many people suffering mentally and emotionally because of the terror-istic tactics and blindness of the religious dogma held within the strongholds of various sects is a source of profound sadness to those who have been given a vision of the vastness of hope and the breadth of God's love. Be that, as it may, the glory of BEING comes at a price - the price of experiencing terror within the heart and mind. And I think that is the way it is supposed to be (or at least, has to be).
Presently I'm in a hard place, but not as hard a place as some I've been in.
We must all find our place in the Son.
Good of you to open this HOT TOPIC that so many have very burning opinions about.
Thanks Heartsong, I wrestled with it but somebody had to do it.
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To my mind, both heaven and hell are within, and also without (in this world) in within our minds. Obviously,mortality itself ensures that anyone (all of us) who participate in the experience of living must experience a world of duality/opposites -- good/evil, up/down, left/right, to be/or not to be, haves and have-nots, sickness/health, etc.... In other words, to experience BEING, there must be this duality in order for the divine to manifest itself into time and space. But the notions many people have about God are rather uninformed, so much so that it doesn't take much more than reading a few books by even humorous men like Martin Zender (for example) to demonstrate how ridiculous some of our God-ideas truly are.
That's very profound and oh-so-true. Life is full of opposites and the bad can be unbearable at times so it is like "hell" on earth. It is very sad how some people view God and I thank Him for opening my mind and heart to view Him as He really is, which is love. I'll have to pick up that book by Martin Zender....sounds interesting.
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To see so many people suffering mentally and emotionally because of the terror-istic tactics and blindness of the religious dogma held within the strongholds of various sects is a source of profound sadness to those who have been given a vision of the vastness of hope and the breadth of God's love. Be that, as it may, the glory of BEING comes at a price - the price of experiencing terror within the heart and mind. And I think that is the way it is supposed to be (or at least, has to be).
Amen to that!! And this IS the way it is supposed to be, for now anyway. I like the way you put that.....the "glory of BEING". We are simply "beings" created for God's pleasure and the sooner we realize that He loves us the quicker our lives become more meaningful and a little more understandable. We all have worth, and we're all worthy.
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Presently I'm in a hard place, but not as hard a place as some I've been in.
We must all find our place in the Son.
I know you've been struggling and I pray that whatever it is that is troubling you will just evaporate in time. I'm right there with you and completely understand. God bless.
If the lake of fire is in hell how is it that hell is hurled into the lake of fire?
It is very easy to look up the answers with Google:
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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This is one of those times that fundamentalists would say that "hell" doesn't mean "hell", it means hades.
