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One of my favorite verses in Judges is "will not the judge of the world do right." I guess I don't have a need to explain every little detail of life. I think of myself as the clay and God as the potter. I'm not required to have everything figured out. I'm thankful to the creator and trust that He has the best plan worked our for me and the world. I trust His word and see from the OT to the New that things all make sense. My dad at almost 91 who studies hours a day in the Word says that the more he knows the more it all makes sense to him...that encourages me in my walk.
Jesus never condemned anybody BUT the religious leaders of the day.
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Prove it ?.
Have you forgiven the world ?(this should answer your question)..Do you think when the man Christ Jesus said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do",that His Father refused to ?. The believer is of the same spirit that uttered "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". God is not trying to get follk to be forgiven, He wants them to know that they are forgiven.
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, NOT counting men’ssins against them 2 Cor 5:19
Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us.
I am against the system of fundamental christianity not the people whose minds are affected by it, i want them to be set free from it, just like i and many others have been.
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I am against the system of fundamental christianity not the people whose minds are affected by it, i want them to be set free from it, just like i and many others have been.
Bless your heart, Paul ... I know that you mean this. I know that those who are still in it can't appreciate what you're saying at the moment, but they aren't the only ones whom your posts are for, imho.
The coming out process can be long and tiresome. One may think they are free of it only to discover that not all of the poison has been flushed out of one's system... that's been my experience at any rate. Coming here, reading posts of those who are also coming out from under it and may be further along in the process is more helpful than perhaps you are aware. So ... I just want to say thank you for your perseverance.
I'm still waiting for a verse that specifically says......"God is fair".
Being that there isn't such a verse the balance of what katjonjj thinks is profound isn't scriptural.
You quoted them in your OP.
2 Thes 1:6 God is just...
Hebrews 6:10 God is not unjust...
From dictionary.com:
just adjective
1. guided by truth, reason, justice, and fairness: We hope to be just in our understanding of such difficult situations. synonyms 1. upright; equitable, fair, impartial
fair adjective
1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge.
... idiom
30. fair and square,
a. honestly; justly; straightforwardly: He won the race fair and square.
b. honest; just; straightforward: He was admired for being fair and square in all his dealing
If you want to argue that God is not fair, be my guest. By implication you will also be arguing He is not honest, truthful, just, or righteous.
I'm still waiting for a verse that specifically says......"God is fair".
Being that there isn't such a verse the balance of what katjonjj thinks is profound isn't scriptural.
Twin... You seem to think God isn't fair because he saves some and tortures others. UR teaches ALL men are lost and ALL those who are lost will be found.
Why do you want to prove God is unfair?
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For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so he could have mercy on everyone. - Romans 11:32
I remember studying that verse and reading several translations, I came to see that all are lost and to extent salvation to all, then that's Gods way of doing it. He allowed Adam and Eve to fall...and all mankind, so that all could be saved.............. In one translation I read that God allowed corruption to come on all mankind, so that then He could save all mankind. Until God tells me different I believe All means All, if I am wrong He will explain it to me somehow someway. He has made it clear to me about corruption, I see it in all men. ALL men can do better, when they turn to God, they do a lot better.
I see that too. The nations that serve God do better also. I see that too. South Korea and China are turing to God. The USA needs to turn to God. We all can see that also.
Guys, please just report the posts.
We often do not fix it immediately but will eventually be able to do so because we have real lives same as you do and can't spend every minute here
When you report then answer that post you are defeating the purpose and are in fact contributing to whatever you reported and then we have to edit or delete lots of posts and often issue lots of warnings and infractions.
Not to mention that tempers begin to flare and insults are tossed back and forth.
But, wouldn't that necessarily entail the experience of being judged by God for what we've done? After all, punishment can't be levied without a judgment first being made, right?
If you violate God's law of Gravity and endure the consequences of doing so . . . did you need to be judged first? Your actions and their consequences "judged" you. Why do you think His spiritual Laws are any different?
You quoted them in your OP.
2 Thes 1:6 God is just...
Hebrews 6:10 God is not unjust...
From dictionary.com:
just adjective
1. guided by truth, reason, justice, and fairness: We hope to be just in our understanding of such difficult situations. synonyms 1. upright; equitable, fair, impartial
fair adjective
1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge.
... idiom
30. fair and square,
a. honestly; justly; straightforwardly: He won the race fair and square.
b. honest; just; straightforward: He was admired for being fair and square in all his dealing
If you want to argue that God is not fair, be my guest. By implication you will also be arguing He is not honest, truthful, just, or righteous.
Lets see whose being consistent about just =fair.
I claim God is just in these verses....... do you?
1. "God isrighteous in everythinghe does" Daniel 9:14
Righteous or not righteous (fair or not fair) .....> "God is on everyone who looks to him, but his great anger is against all who forsake him.” Ezra 8:22
true or false ....> "God is a righteous judge, a God who expresses his wrath every day." Psalm 7:11
flawless or flawed: ........> "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them."John 3:36
flawless or flawed:.....>"God is a consuming fire, a jealous God" Deuteronomy 4:24
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I don't imply anything.
God's love is undeserving love. Rather, we all have gone astray and deserve wrath and punishment. The transition of God's wrath on humans to God's love for human's is unfair, as David professed about himself:
"If you, LORD, kept a record of sins, Lord, who could stand." Psalm 130:3
In that light it's not "fair" that He became our sin in exchange His perfection\Holiness and not keep a record of sin.
Therefore it is only but "fair" that when the exchange is rejected by a person that God keeps the record of sin.
Twin... You seem to think God isn't fair because he saves some and tortures others. UR teaches ALL men are lost and ALL those who are lost will be found.
My point in the post was to ask why the OP wishes God to be proven unfair.
So let me rephrase... Why would anyone want God to be unfair/unjust?
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