Willful sin will shut you out of Heaven (crucified, abominations, believe)

[scgraham]

Originally Posted by driftwoodpoint

I do feel the word of God condems the gay lifestyle. But I also know that sin is sin. God does not see degrees of sin. So our gossip, unforgiveness, pride, etc. is just as much of a sin.

Originally Posted by scgraham

Those sins will shut you out of heaven as much as homosexuality will. We must fully yield to the Lord so He can purge us of these things.

Originally Posted by driftwoodpoint

Are you saying scgranam that my sin will shut me out of Heaven for what the word of God says? I'm just looking at the word but understand that God is the judge not me. I feel you love the sinner and hate the sin. You love people into obedience and support and encourage them. Each one of us stands alone before for our sins...mine are paid for with the blood of Christ. I'm sure I am far from perfect and journey this life like others working on being more like Christ each day but also knowing I will never arrive.
I love the statement, "I'm not where I need to be but thank God I'm not where I used to be"

Friend - sin will indeed shut you out of Heaven. When people really get saved, they stop all their willful sinning. If one is struggling with a certain sin, then they have to yield to the Lord to be released from that bondage, as you can't take it into Heaven. The highway of holiness makes no room for sin, and it's the only highway into Heaven. The reason people sin is because they are not yielding to the Lord, but rather their flesh. But, the Word makes it clear that yielding to the flesh is death.

Romans 8
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

[gabfest]

Willfull sinning is often in the eye of the beholder.

[scgraham]

Originally Posted by gabfest

Willfull sinning is often in the eye of the beholder.

If you belong to Jesus, then the flesh has been crucified. So, if it's been crucified, you won't willfully sin -- unless you give over to it. And, if you give over to it, then you no longer belong to the Lord.

Galatians 5:24 - And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

[gabfest]

Originally Posted by scgraham

If you belong to Jesus, then the flesh has been crucified. So, if it's been crucified, you won't willfully sin -- unless you give over to it. And, if you give over to it, then you no longer belong to the Lord.

Galatians 5:24 - And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

When we sit on our thrones and judge each others actions is that willfull sinning?

You cannot judge and love at the same time. So whilst one is judging one is out of fellowship.

As much as possible be peaceable with all men.

[scgraham]

Originally Posted by gabfest

When we sit on our thrones and judge each others actions is that willfull sinning?

You cannot judge and love at the same time. So whilst one is judging one is out of fellowship.

As much as possible be peaceable with all men.

Do you perceive me as being judgmental because I serve God's truth of righteousness and holiness? God's Word declares that you cannot serve the flesh and God too, yet so many people think that they can; and, if you tell them that they can't, they accuse you of being judgmental.

[gabfest]

Originally Posted by scgraham

Do you perceive me as being judgmental because I serve God's truth of righteousness and holiness? God's Word declares that you cannot serve the flesh and God too, yet so many people think that they can; and, if you tell them that they can't, they accuse you of being judgmental.

I know that you mean well.
Matthew 10:14

Perhaps the title shoud have read "Practicing willfull abominations will shut you out of Heaven". Sin whether practiced by omission or commission is still sin isn't it?

[Reverend1111]

Originally Posted by scgraham

Friend - sin will indeed shut you out of Heaven. When people really get saved, they stop all their willful sinning. If one is struggling with a certain sin, then they have to yield to the Lord to be released from that bondage, as you can't take it into Heaven. The highway of holiness makes no room for sin, and it's the only highway into Heaven. The reason people sin is because they are not yielding to the Lord, but rather their flesh. But, the Word makes it clear that yielding to the flesh is death.

Romans 8
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

I'm really confused. Most "christians" say that no one is without sin yet there are so many that say they are saved. In your second sentence you say "When people really get saved, they stop all their willful sinning". so, then, how can a christian be saved yet still be in sin, according to that sentence? I'm really confused as it makes no sense. To me, when you are saved, there is no sin and no inclination to sin and you are then Divine. So far, I have not met, nor interacted, with anyone who is Divine so how can one claim to be saved?

I also believe that anyone who willfully sins will also get a chance at redemption either here or the spirit world because God waits for all.

[Mikelee81]

Originally Posted by scgraham

Friend - sin will indeed shut you out of Heaven. When people really get saved, they stop all their willful sinning. If one is struggling with a certain sin, then they have to yield to the Lord to be released from that bondage, as you can't take it into Heaven. The highway of holiness makes no room for sin, and it's the only highway into Heaven. The reason people sin is because they are not yielding to the Lord, but rather their flesh. But, the Word makes it clear that yielding to the flesh is death.

Romans 8
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Amen! Everything said here is true.

[stillkit]

Originally Posted by scgraham

Friend - sin will indeed shut you out of Heaven. When people really get saved, they stop all their willful sinning. If one is struggling with a certain sin, then they have to yield to the Lord to be released from that bondage, as you can't take it into Heaven. The highway of holiness makes no room for sin, and it's the only highway into Heaven. The reason people sin is because they are not yielding to the Lord, but rather their flesh. But, the Word makes it clear that yielding to the flesh is death.

Romans 8
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

You're confusing sin with transgressions.

In both the Old Testament Hebrew and the New Testament Greek, the word translated as "sin" means basically the same thing: To miss the mark, to be trying but fail. An analogy would be like a batter in baseball. He's trying to get a hit every time he comes to the plate, but only the very best manage to do that 3 or 4 times out of 10.

Transgressions, however, are an entirely different matter. In the OT Hebrew, a transgression is rebellion; deliberate disobedience. That's not a "sin," but far worse because you're not only NOT trying to do right under the law, you're specifically ignoring the law and doing what you damn well please.

Interestingly, the words transgression or transgressions only appears 7 times in the New Testament. In every case, it means a "going over," or to overstep, to violate, to neglect the law of Moses. In other words, just as in the OT, it basically means willful disobedience or willful rebellion.

In 1 John, we're told that sin and transgression are basically the same thing! That one is as bad as the other!

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

It would seem that both sins and transgressions would keep us out of heaven, but we know that the blood of Christ paid the debt for our sins, right? Well...what about those deliberate transgressions? Since John equates deliberate disobedience with simply missing the mark while trying, did Christ pay for those too?

YES! Thank God for His mercies!


Hbr 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Is this a license to do whatever you please and God will forgive you?

Certainly not, but it is an affirmation that God knows our character, knows that we were created as weak and imperfect vessels, knows that our nature will cause us even to deliberately ignore His statutes and laws. Yet, His love for us is so great that He will even forgive our deliberate disobedience because of our faith in Jesus Christ! When we rest our eternal destiny in Christ, God rests His holy hand of forgiveness on us for His sake!

[SC122]

I agree,you can't use Jesus' forgiveness as an excuse to sin.