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Old 06-30-2011, 12:10 AM
 
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We all love calling the name of our Lord Jesus Christ , don't we? We teach about him, sing and dance with his name, preach about him in our churches and places of worship. One thing we rarely ever do is to practise his injunctions. If Christians the world over practised his injunctions I believe the world would have been a better place. Are we not guilty of discriminating against others, quarelling, getting angry, fornication and adultery, drunkeness, and idolatry among others?

My dear brothers and sister, I am here to affirm to you the words of Mathew 7 vs 21

Matthew 7:21-22

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
KJV


The way to salvation is clear- practice the injunctions of God. People say that God is a merciful God and they are right, but he is also a God of Justice and honors his laws and his words. He does not accept short cuts and most importantly he is not mocked.


Galatians 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
KJV
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Old 07-01-2011, 06:00 AM
 
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Sure there is controversy and hypocrisy in truth and disobedience from Believers though out ... Even truth from Heaven can be strange and worldly to others who have not developed to some callings from the Lord ..... Or people thumbing their nose at Jesus commands and go undiscerned to know the wiser..... who can go on and belittle the truth of Heaven and laugh how ridiculous it is and mock people who believe ........Well there is only one answer to this and that is Lord Jesus and if we turn to him when hypocrisy comes then He said He will turn thing around for His Greater Glory ..... Jesus has called us to pray for our brothers and give them a drink of His living waters to hold them up in to truths and help them resist the carnal ideas of the antichrist of reason and faithlessness ..... Like if the Preacher go on a Preaches without the Lead of Holy Spirit , and teaches deception and error , then Believers can pray and make a stand for truth for this preacher and Holy Spirit will help this person stay into truth ....... Or the believers who do not even go into the presence of the Lord and reason out every truth , other Believers can pray and find Jesus Plan for their lives, and help Jesus reestablish Jesus plan to help believers who have not been developed into Christianity or have back-slid-den to the World and its faithlessness....See Jesus is our Judge and He is our only hope....... In Matthew 5: 6.. Jesus said ``Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness for they will be filled``......It is easy to help ourselves to righteousness then to help others , but Jesus will still move others who are lead by His Spirit through the prayer of other believers ......
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Old 07-01-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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If the chapter is read in context it's obvious what Jesus was saying from this statement.

27But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher. 41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.


There is no doubt the Pharisees and Scribes thought within themselves "What's he talking about,we always do what God says ?".

God i thank you that i am not like other men,robbers,evildoers,adulterers,or even like this tax collector,i fast twice a week and give a tenth of all i get.Luke 18
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:55 AM
 
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We all love calling the name of our Lord Jesus Christ , don't we? We teach about him, sing and dance with his name, preach about him in our churches and places of worship. One thing we rarely ever do is to practise his injunctions. If Christians the world over practised his injunctions I believe the world would have been a better place. Are we not guilty of discriminating against others, quarelling, getting angry, fornication and adultery, drunkeness, and idolatry among others?
I would say that in the scope of all that Jesus taught us to do, there is not one, including you and me that will measure up by the time we die on earth. You can say that you will, but you would actually only be guilty of bearing a false witness.

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My dear brothers and sister, I am here to affirm to you the words of Mathew 7 vs 21
I also affirm those words, but I suspect we might reach different conclusions about what that means for either of us.
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The way to salvation is clear

Actually you do a great and vile disservice to say that the way of salvation is clear in a traditional sense. Within the theology of Christianity your assessment of salvation is only one of many interpretations and assertions on what it means to be truly saved. Your assertion only presents the claim that YOURS is correct. If eternal damnation is indeed a true and real conclusion of the bible then Christians everywhere are in constant danger of being damned simply through the FACT that no one can actually provide concrete theology to finally put the question to rest of what it means to truly be saved. Most people rest within their "CLAIM" that they are ok but in reality the very fact that believers around the world really cannot agree puts the whole world at risk of deception.

Thats the fact of the matter whether you like it or not.


So do you believe that you will not hear the words of Jesus tell you that you cannot enter? What proves that you won't. What demonstrates that you follow all of what Jesus tells you to do. Can you prove it from the deep recesses of your heart, that you are in and someone else might not be?

And even more importantly, what proves that if I listen to you and agree with what you say that I will be prevented from hearing those words knowing that others will have different conclusions that I may need to follow?
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:38 AM
 
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Marlbron, yes, let us talk about not doing what our Lord tells us to do:

1Ti 4:10-11 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached),
that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
(11) especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:51 AM
 
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Marlbron, yes, let us talk about not doing what our Lord tells us to do:

1Ti 4:10-11 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached),
that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
(11) especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.
You know Eusebuis although i have believed since 1984, this scripture as always been there,and although i had read it numerous times, it might as well not have been because until my were opened to the truth of it, my eyes were hidden from seeing it(because it's revealed unto babes and not the wise and prudent).
It means just what it says when your eyes have been opened.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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I would say that in the scope of all that Jesus taught us to do, there is not one, including you and me that will measure up by the time we die on earth. You can say that you will, but you would actually only be guilty of bearing a false witness.



I also affirm those words, but I suspect we might reach different conclusions about what that means for either of us.


Actually you do a great and vile disservice to say that the way of salvation is clear in a traditional sense. Within the theology of Christianity your assessment of salvation is only one of many interpretations and assertions on what it means to be truly saved. Your assertion only presents the claim that YOURS is correct. If eternal damnation is indeed a true and real conclusion of the bible then Christians everywhere are in constant danger of being damned simply through the FACT that no one can actually provide concrete theology to finally put the question to rest of what it means to truly be saved. Most people rest within their "CLAIM" that they are ok but in reality the very fact that believers around the world really cannot agree puts the whole world at risk of deception.

Thats the fact of the matter whether you like it or not.


So do you believe that you will not hear the words of Jesus tell you that you cannot enter? What proves that you won't. What demonstrates that you follow all of what Jesus tells you to do. Can you prove it from the deep recesses of your heart, that you are in and someone else might not be?

And even more importantly, what proves that if I listen to you and agree with what you say that I will be prevented from hearing those words knowing that others will have different conclusions that I may need to follow?
I need to ask you a very simple real life question. When you passed through high school, I assume you passed from one class to the other through passing your exams? Were you expected to pass by scoring 100%? 60% is pass grade, even 50% is pass grade.

I doubt if God expects perfection from man now. The time for perfection is coming. We are under a season of grace, but we must make the effort to practice righteousness and live above sin. We must put in the effort to live right. If we say we believe and do not practice his injunctions, we are no different from the devils. They also believe but they carry out the instruction of the demon



You know you live right when you listen and act act on the advise of the Holy Spirit- that small voice in our mind. Its something the preacher will not preach about.
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Old 04-28-2017, 08:42 PM
 
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This is how and why the gate is as straight and as narrow as it is...It truly is an up/down thing...

We can be FORGIVEN now.... but saved / redeemed at the end, if we are obedient..... People forget Matt 5, 6 and 7 and they're firgettimg to kee[ Yahuwah the Father's sacred days.... (Lev. 23) ...

Part of evidence if belief is works...

ant to hear some Truth?














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What is Truth?

[LEFT]The definition of the word Truth is most often used to mean: in accord with fact or reality, or fidelity to an original or to a standard or ideal.

In today's society truth seems very hard to come by. There is much confusion and division between different denominations of churches as to what is truth and what Scripture teaches.


Paul says in 1 Timothy 2 v 3-7
'For this is good and acceptable before Elohim (God) our Saviour, who desires ALL men to be saved and to come to the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH. For there is one Elohim (God), and one Mediator between Elohim (God) and men, the Man Messiah Yahushua, who gave Himself as a ransom for all...'


(for more information about the Son's Name Yahushua [URL="http://www.yahuwah.co.uk/More-info-about-the-Son-s-Name.html"]click here[/URL])


Paul is saying that our Father wants each one of us to come to the knowledge of truth.
We can only be saved if we come to the knowledge of truth. In the 2000 years since the Messiah walked the earth, man has sought to hide the truth and twist the truth of the scriptures. Man has sought to control people through man-made religious systems and put themselves above others, seeking to act as Mediators between us and our Father. There is only ONE Mediator between our Father and men - Messiah Yahushua.


Paul writes in Romans 1 v 25:
'Who changed the truth of Elohim (God) into the falsehood, and worshipped and served what was created rather than the Creator?'


Even 2000 years ago the truth was being changed into falsehood. Satan is the father of all lies and in Revelation 12 v 9 it states:
'and the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old called the devil and satan, who leads all the world astray...'


Satan is intent on leading the whole world astray. Make sure you haven't been fed any of his lies.


Timothy warns in 2 Timothy 4 v 3-4
'Or there shall be a time when they shall not bear sound teaching, but according to their own desires, they shall heap for themselves teachers tickling the ear, and they shall indeed turn their ears away from the truth and be turned aside to myths.'


Make sure you are listening to the truth and not just hearing what you want to hear.


John writes in John 4 v 23-24
'But the hour is coming and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in truth, for the Father also seeks such to worship Him. Elohim is Spirit, and those that worship Him need to worship in Spirit and in truth.'


We are to worship our Father in spirit and in truth.


Yahushua warned us in Matthew 15 v 8-9
'This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'


We therefore need to be very sure that we are worshipping and believing in truth and not following after the traditions and doctrines of men.


John 8 v 32 says
'And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.'


This would indicate that if you are not in the truth, you are not free.
Scripture states that we are destroyed through the lack of knowledge.
Our Creator IS truth and scripture says that those who worship Him should worship in 'spirit and in truth'. We all know that there is only one truth and it is found in His Word.'


Psalm 86 v 11 says
'Teach me your Way, O Yahuwah, let me walk in Your truth; unite my heart to revere your Name.'
This prayer written by David links truth and being united in heart to revere our Father's Name.
Do you know our Father's Name? ([URL="http://www.yahuwah.co.uk/More-info-on-the-Father-s-Name.html"]click here[/URL] for more information.)

In Psalm 119 David states that our Father's truth is for all generations and is everlasting. He also goes on to say in verse 142 and 151 that our Father's laws / commandments are truth. In verse 160 David states that the entirety of the Word is truth.


If we don't know our Father's Name, His commandments or read His Word how will we find truth?


We will only find truth if we come to know our Father and no one comes to the Father except through the Son. In order to find truth we must believe in the Son.


John 14 v 6 says:
'I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'


The Creator's Son, Yahushua is Truth. He walked in Truth and taught Truth[/LEFT]















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[LEFT]TRUTH IS IMPORTANT.
Please search out the truth in Scripture for yourself, read and re-read the truth that Yahushua taught, read the articles on this website, don't just believe everything your pastor says. Do some research and find out the TRUTH. Ask your Father, Yahuwah to help you find truth. Make sure that you are not following after the doctrines and traditions of men.


The truth always wins out in the end!


May Yahuwah baruch (bless) you as you seek out His truth.
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