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Old 07-15-2011, 12:20 PM
 
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Certainly Heb 9:27 says nothing about hell...

Sure doesn't, so then what does judgment mean? What is Judgment and what do people reap from that judgment?

 
Old 07-15-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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Sure doesn't, so then what does judgment mean? What is Judgment and what do people reap from that judgment?
Indeed that is the question.

In its simplest form, a judgment is a decision made to set things right.

As scripture tells us that all God's judgments are righteous, people learn righteousness from God's judgments, and people will rejoice in God's judgments, I tend to think of His judgment as a good and necessary thing, that will set things right.
 
Old 07-15-2011, 12:34 PM
 
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See for someone who complains about being misrepresented, you sure misrepresent other's beliefs alot.
No one said anything about "conversion factories where dead people are forced into belief."

Praise God in His righteous judgment, that will be a glorious day when all will see what righteousness is.
Well, since Bible does not say anything about it, then your guess is as good as mine, and 'factory' is as good a guess as any. What comes to my mind is the image from Pink Floyd, The Wall, where the students are in a factory where they are turned into ground beef. That descibes my view or UR conversion factory rather well.

But then again, why guess anything since it is only a theory invented to support one belief system.
 
Old 07-15-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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Well, since Bible does not say anything about it, then your guess is as good as mine, and 'factory' is as good a guess as any. What comes to my mind is the image from Pink Floyd, The Wall, where the students are in a factory where they are turned into ground beef. That descibes my view or UR conversion factory rather well.

But then again, why guess anything since it is only a theory invented to support one belief system.
Your the one who is guessing, not me.

The bible says alot about God's judgments. They are righteous, teach people righteousness, and set things right.
Do you rejoice in God's judgments?
 
Old 07-15-2011, 12:47 PM
 
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Well, since Bible does not say anything about it, then your guess is as good as mine, and 'factory' is as good a guess as any. What comes to my mind is the image from Pink Floyd, The Wall, where the students are in a factory where they are turned into ground beef. That descibes my view or UR conversion factory rather well.

But then again, why guess anything since it is only a theory invented to support one belief system.


Why speak of Judgment if you have no idea what it is? You posted the verse, so what do you believe judgment is?
 
Old 07-15-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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Indeed that is the question.

In its simplest form, a judgment is a decision made to set things right.

As scripture tells us that all God's judgments are righteous, people learn righteousness from God's judgments, and people will rejoice in God's judgments, I tend to think of His judgment as a good and necessary thing, that will set things right.

I tend to agree with that since God chastises those he loves, of course some may argue that God does not liove everyone, but despite that, if God loves us, then we will be made right.
 
Old 07-15-2011, 12:55 PM
 
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Why speak of Judgment if you have no idea what it is? You posted the verse, so what do you believe judgment is?
This is what I mean about URs having an obsession about judgment and punishement. You people can't stop talking about it
 
Old 07-15-2011, 01:04 PM
 
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The problem is that you claim that UR is a satanic deception/lie that will condemn us to ET or AN even though we (like You) believe on Christ, repent of our unloving thoughts and acts, and follow His commands to "love God and each other." I see nothing either satanic or damning in that at all. But apparently you and Twin and ILNC and Cyber, et al. think so. Why is that?
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Wow!! You paste on the accusations rather think. Quotes please. When have I condemned you to "ET" if you do not believe as I do. Show me the post, or take it back.
I never said YOU condemn us . . . I implied that you believe God will do so. There is nothing to take back. But you did NOT answer the question: Why do you and your cohorts think that UR is satanic and damning? You twist and misrepresent to distract, dodge and distort what is being asked of you so you can claim attack or accusation and AVOID answering the questions put to you. This entire sequence of posts attests to your slippery eel-like rhetoric and mischaracterizations about the topic of this thread.
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So, according to what you believe, if mystic dies believing what he does, then what is his fate?
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As I have stated countless times: I will leave the judgment to God.
Non-responsive.
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Then there was no point in telling someone they will be judged if you cannot offer anything that says what will happen.
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Let me try again: I will let God judge people. It is not my job to judge others. Get it? Why are you asking me to judge Mystic? Why don't you judge him yourself?
Non-responsive.He is asking about the topic. He is NOT asking you to judge ME . . . he just wants you to re-assert the beliefs you have been so adamantly defending about what you think being judged by God will entail after death and why UR is wrong. You have such strong beliefs about it . . . yet you dodge the questions.
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See for someone who complains about being misrepresented, you sure misrepresent other's beliefs alot.
No one said anything about "conversion factories where dead people are forced into belief."
Praise God in His righteous judgment, that will be a glorious day when all will see what righteousness is.
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Indeed that is the question.
In its simplest form, a judgment is a decision made to set things right.
As scripture tells us that all God's judgments are righteous, people learn righteousness from God's judgments, and people will rejoice in God's judgments, I tend to think of His judgment as a good and necessary thing, that will set things right.
It is frustrating that Finn ducks and dodges the very issue this thread is about.
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Well, since Bible does not say anything about it, then your guess is as good as mine, and 'factory' is as good a guess as any. What comes to my mind is the image from Pink Floyd, The Wall, where the students are in a factory where they are turned into ground beef. That descibes my view or UR conversion factory rather well.
But then again, why guess anything since it is only a theory invented to support one belief system.
So are you saying the bible tells us nothing about what God's judgment will entail or what it is designed to achieve?
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Your the one who is guessing, not me.
The bible says alot about God's judgments. They are righteous, teach people righteousness, and set things right.
Do you rejoice in God's judgments?
Amen, legoman.
 
Old 07-15-2011, 01:05 PM
 
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This is what I mean about URs having an obsession about judgment and punishement. You people can't stop talking about it
You were the one who brought up judgment implying there is no hope beyond it. If you didn't want to talk about it, I don't know why you are here. Just trolling I suppose...
 
Old 07-15-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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It is frustrating that Finn ducks and dodges the very issue this thread is about.
Indeed she does. She brings up the topic and then complains when we talk about it. Strange, but it is the marking of a troll.
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