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View Poll Results: Will Christ fail to accomplish Gods desire to save all people?
Yes 13 23.21%
No 31 55.36%
I don't believe that Jesus is the word of God! 12 21.43%
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Old 07-16-2011, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Default The motivation to actually "eat the Big Mac" is 100% produced by God

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No one is arguing otherwise. A Bic Mac is 100% creation of McDonalds, but it will not find its way to your belly unless you eat it.
The motivation to actually "eat the Big Mac" is 100% produced by God laying hold on us by His sovereign grace and causing Jesus to be "choice" in our heart just like He did for Lydia, and Saul of Tarsus, and Nebuchadnezzar.

Until He does that, everyone will remain in the state of Romans 3:10-18.

 
Old 07-16-2011, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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The motivation to actually "eat the Big Mac" is 100% produced by God laying hold on us by His sovereign grace and causing Jesus to be "choice" in our heart just like He did for Lydia, and Saul of Tarsus, and Nebuchadnezzar.

Until He does that, everyone will remain in the state of Romans 3:10-18.
Again, no one has argued otherwise. However, although God can draw you towards the Bic Mac, you can still refuse it. God it not in business of cramming Bic Macs down people's throats against their will.

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light (Bic Mac) has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light (bic Mac) because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light (Bic Mac), and will not come into the light (Bic Mac) for fear that his deeds will be exposed
 
Old 07-16-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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Again, no one has argued otherwise. However, although God can draw you towards the Bic Mac, you can still refuse it. God it not in business of cramming Bic Macs down people's throats against their will.
So I repeat
The motivation to actually "eat the Big Mac" is 100% produced by God laying hold on us by His sovereign grace and causing Jesus to be "choice" in our heart just like He did for Lydia, and Saul of Tarsus, and Nebuchadnezzar.

Until He does that, everyone will remain in the state of Romans 3:10-18.

God never does anything against our will.
But He has a vast array of methods of successfully influencing our wills to want what He wants for us.
It is wrong to say that salavtion is 100% by God, then turn around and say that it depends on our cooperation.
It's just the other way around.
Our cooperation will demonstrate that it was produced 100% by God.

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Old 07-16-2011, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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So I repeat
The motivation to actually "eat the Big Mac" is 100% produced by God laying hold on us by His sovereign grace and causing Jesus to be "choice" in our heart just like He did for Lydia, and Saul of Tarsus, and Nebuchadnezzar.

Until He does that, everyone will remain in the state of Romans 3:10-18.

God never does anything against our will.
But He has a vast array of methods of successfully influencing our wills to want what He wants for us.
It is wrong to say that salavtion is 100% by God, then turn around and say that it depends on our cooperation.
It's just the other way around.
Our cooperation will demonstrate that it was produced 100% by God.
I guess you will just repeat it until people give up.
 
Old 07-16-2011, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Many think that our willingness is something that we achieve on our own, using our superior ability to make a wiser choice than other people make. They don't think that God can successfully influence our wills unless we let Him.

But some day everyone will learn that our willingness was God's achievement 100%.
"For we are His achievement" Eph. 2:10
 
Old 07-16-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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Again, no one has argued otherwise. However, although God can draw you towards the Bic Mac, you can still refuse it. God it not in business of cramming Bic Macs down people's throats against their will.

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light (Bic Mac) has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light (bic Mac) because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light (Bic Mac), and will not come into the light (Bic Mac) for fear that his deeds will be exposed
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I guess you will just repeat it until people give up.
Philippians 2:13



New International Version (©1984)
for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
New Living Translation (©2007)
For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him.

English Standard Version (©2001)
for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

International Standard Version (©2008)
For it is God who is producing in you both the desire and the ability to do what pleases him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
It is God who produces in you the desires and actions that please him.

King James Bible
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

American King James Version
For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

American Standard Version
for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.

Bible in Basic English
For it is God who is the cause of your desires and of your acts, for his good pleasure.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to his good will.

Darby Bible Translation
for it is God who works in you both the willing and the working according to his good pleasure.

English Revised Version
for it is God which worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.

Webster's Bible Translation
For it is God who worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Weymouth New Testament
For it is God Himself whose power creates within you the desire to do His gracious will and also brings about the accomplishment of the desire.

World English Bible
For it is God who works in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.

Young's Literal Translation
for God it is who is working in you both to will and to work for His good pleasure.




If God wants you to eat a big mac, he will make you desire to eat it and then he will bring about the accomplishment of his desire, which is you eating it.


Just like Paul gave us as an example Pharaoh who wanted to obey God and release Israel from captivity, but God hardened his heart and made him refuse to release Israel so that God could show his power.


What you teach is simply not scriptural ... Period. One day God will give you repentance from the false gospel and spiritual terrorism you spread around like diseases, and he will cause you to come to a full knowledge of the truth of his love for all people and Christs complete victory over sin and death in the lives of everyone.
 
Old 07-16-2011, 12:12 PM
 
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Many think that our willingness is something that we achieve on our own, using our superior ability to make a wiser choice than other people make. They don't think that God can successfully influence our wills unless we let Him.

But some day everyone will learn that our willingness was God's achievement 100%.
"For we are His achievement" Eph. 2:10
John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed
 
Old 07-16-2011, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Jesus isn't going to knock on doors unless He knows the person inside is able to open the door.
Jesus isn't going to force His way in, either. He will not stand at the door of your heart like a SWAT team.
 
Old 07-16-2011, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Default That is the condition of absolutely everyone, no exceptions

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John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed
That is the condition of absolutely everyone (Romans 3:10-18, no exceptions) until God lays hold on them by His sovereign grace and makes Jesus "choice" in their heart.
 
Old 07-16-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed
Exactly, just like Saul who did evil in all his persecuting of Christians, like when he held the coats of those men who stoned Stephen.

Saul hated the light and would not come into the light, but one day the light of the spirit of Christ came upon him, and Saul was destroyed while Paul was made new.

It had nothing to do with Saul's desire or wise decision or intelligence or work in any way ... It was all the power of God who worked within him to renew him and quicken him and change him into a new creation.
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