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Yes, this is true. You can't receive more than what is given to you. Was your comment meant to be a counter argument to someone's comment? I don't see the connection to anything that has been said before.
The connection is that sooner or later God will effectively save everyone from everything from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will. He will meet everyone on the level of their deepest and greatest need which is a change in their stubborn will.
Sooner or later, that will be God's gift to everyone.
We know that to be true because
"God will have all mankind to be saved."
The Greek word does not translate as "desires" instead of will have.
All mankind will be saved because God through Timothy said so.
The connection is that sooner or later God will effectively save everyone from everything from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will. He will meet everyone on the level of their deepest and greatest need which is a change in their stubborn will.
Sooner or later, that will be God's gift to everyone.
We know that to be true because
"God will have all mankind to be saved."
The Greek word does not translate as "desires" instead of will have.
All mankind will be saved because God through Timothy said so.
It looks like some people like to throw in old talking points with or without a connection.
Sadly not all come to repentance. Many will be in hell. It's a disturbing reality and is scriptural.
For all reading, take the "whole council of God." Isolating scripture here and their and proclaiming it as doctrine is dangerous. Do not be a false teacher? Read the whole council of God and discern for yourself.
Originally Posted by lee9786 Sadly not all come to repentance. Many will be in hell. It's a disturbing reality and is scriptural.
For all reading, take the "whole council of God." Isolating scripture here and their and proclaiming it as doctrine is dangerous. Do not be a false teacher? Read the whole council of God and discern for yourself. [/quote]
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Originally Posted by Theophane
Well-said, lee.
THE WHOLE COUNCIL OF GOD
Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
See what other Greek scholars say about it too.
An Analytical Study of Words Chapter Eleven
Yes, this is true. You can't receive more than what is given to you. Was your comment meant to be a counter argument to someone's comment? I don't see the connection to anything that has been said before.
Finn the only the reason you had the ability to receive anything from God in the first place,is because He gave you that ability to receive from Him. Humble yourself and accept this.
A man can receive nothing unless it be given him from above.In otherwords your ability to receive was given to you by God.
This is God accomplishing his word in drawing all men unto himself.
Ya, that will be quite a party at the consummation of God's plan for the ages of time to save everyone from everything from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will.
I meant you can party on NOW, and let Jesus force you into heaven after you die. You know, live it up a little, have an affair or something, or steal some money and travel around the world.
Finn the only the reason you had the ability to receive anything from God in the first place,is because He gave you that ability to receive from Him. Humble yourself and accept this.
A man can receive nothing unless it be given him from above.In otherwords your ability to receive was given to you by God.
This is God accomplishing his word in drawing all men unto himself.
You speak as if someone had argued otherwise, but no one has. You are offering straw man fallacies, and tell people to humble themselves as if they have not humbled themselves already Stop it
When Jesus knocks on your door you have been given the ability to open the door. You also have the ability to refuse Him. This is why Jesus says "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me"
There is that big IF. IF you hear and open, He will come in. Jesus isn't going to knock on doors unless He knows the person inside is able to open the door.
The Greek word does not translate as "desires" instead of will have.
All mankind will be saved because God through Timothy said so.
The word is "wants", "desires".
You keep omitting the rest of the verse. As someone already pointed out, the verse continues " and to come to a knowledge of the truth". The Bible is saturated with these words when it talks about salvation: come, open (the door), repent, believe, trust, have faith etc all indicate that there is something you need to do.
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kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement)
