Comments on the book "Love Wins." (sinners, eternity, God)

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by katjonjj

There is no nefarious purpose in teaching people to love one another. Excerpt from the book:
Hell is our refusal to trust God's retelling of our story.

Loving one another is not the point of the author. He wrote the book to make a case against Christianity and to prove it is wrong about just about everything, but he uses horribly weak arguments, and he quotes Bible verses out of context and he uses historically incorrect points.

The above quote is his opinion and nothing else. Jesus did not say it, and no one else in the Bible said he. The author invented it. If you want to believe this guy as opposed to the Bible, then you go right ahead, but I think you are walking on thin ice. When I heard the discussion and read reviews about it I figured this book is as spiritual as Joel Osteen's "your best life now". Coming to think of it I think Osteen could be a universalist. He hardly ever talks about the salvation, he only talks about how people should have positive attitudes and be nice to each other. The most important message of Jesus is eliminated from his teachings, just like it is eliminated from uni teachings.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Loving one another is not the point of the author. He wrote the book to make a case against Christianity and to prove it is wrong about just about everything, but he uses horribly weak arguments, and he quotes Bible verses out of context and he uses historically incorrect points.

The above quote is his opinion and nothing else. Jesus did not say it, and no one else in the Bible said he. The author invented it. If you want to believe this guy as opposed to the Bible, then you go right ahead, but I think you are walking on thin ice. When I heard the discussion and read reviews about it I figured this book is as spiritual as Joel Osteen's "your best life now". Coming to think of it I think Osteen could be a universalist. He hardly ever talks about the salvation, he only talks about how people should have positive attitudes and be nice to each other. The most important message of Jesus is eliminated from his teachings, just like it is eliminated from uni teachings.

Paul talked about the same things. You must've skipped over those parts...

Really Finn, to believe another rather than read the book for yourself? You have no way of knowing if what you say is correct.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by katjonjj

Paul talked about the same things. You must've skipped over those parts. Really Finn, to believe another rather than read the book for yourself? You have no way of knowing if what you say is correct.

It is rather easy to simply declare that you know, and others don't.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

The most important message of Jesus is eliminated

The book don't talk about love?

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

The book don't talk about love?

He's never read the book... Only heard (biased) commentary.

I've read it... It's right in front of me. It also confirms that hell is real. As with the older son in the inheritance squandering parable, you can be at the party and still think you're in hell.

Finn seems to think it will harm him to read a book titled "Love Wins!"
As if upon opening it he will find all sorts of hate and devious satanic teachings.

It's about Love winning the battle over rituals and animal sacrifices. Love actually wins. It never fails so it can't lose whether you choose to live miserably or abundantly. Love will still win. Love gives, it does not demand anything in return.

[legoman]

What scripture says:

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails.

Yep, looks like love wins.

Love keeps no record of wrongs. It always protects. Powerful stuff.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

The book don't talk about love?

Loving one another is not the point of the author. He wrote the book to build a case against Christianity and to prove it is wrong about just about everything, but he uses horribly weak arguments, and he quotes Bible verses out of context and he uses historically incorrect points.

The above quote is his opinion and nothing else. Jesus did not say it, and no one else in the Bible said he. The author invented it. If you want to believe this guy as opposed to the Bible, then you go right ahead, but I think you are walking on thin ice. When I heard the discussion and read reviews about it I figured this book is as spiritual as Joel Osteen's "your best life now". Coming to think of it I think Osteen could be a universalist. He hardly ever talks about the salvation, he only talks about how people should have positive attitudes and be nice to each other. The most important message of Jesus is eliminated from his teachings, just like it is eliminated from uni teachings.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

The most important message of Jesus is eliminated

I guess if Christianity doesn't teach that love wins, then maybe he did a pretty good job of proving it wrong.


Love does win.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

The above quote is his opinion and nothing else. Jesus did not say it, and no one else in the Bible said he. The author invented it..

That could be the case with a lot of teachings, but that doesn't make the general idea wrong.

Christianity teaches about the rapture, but according to YOU, since Jesus didn't say rapture and no one in the bible speaks of the rapture, then the rapture must be an invention. So goes with "not all are saved" there is no scripture that states "not all are saved". Yet there is one that stated God will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth.

But that statement in scripture doesn;t carry as much weight as words that aren't in scripture.

So talk about horribly weak arguments. Perhaps both you and rob bell don't know what your talking about.

[onceahogalwaysahog]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber;20183144[I

He wrote the book to build a case against Christianity

no
I'm pretty sure he built a case against the ridiculous teaching of endless torture

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

The most important message of Jesus is eliminated from his teachings, just like it is eliminated from uni teachings.

you mean the teachings of love, forgiveness and mercy?