The God within / salvation internal - the Satanic doctrine (baptize, sanctification, Lord)

[Zero 7]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Thank God that I know your views, Zero . . . or this post without the sarcasm smiley or any other indication of sarcasm would have concerned me.

I'll put the sarcasm tag on next time.

My example about the Christian sipping beer and being a couch potato vs. the agnostic helping in the soup kitchen, well, I can relate to. My own father is agnostic but has devoted most of his life helping the poor.
Me, born-again and I do like that couch. This gnawed at me for years. Me, going to heaven yet my dad lost? Didn't add up.

In the end, God, like sparrow has said so often, doesn't give a hoot about what label we slap on ourselves or others, He is interested in WHAT WE DO and whether or not we have LOVE for others. That's what matters.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by legoman

Your point is a fallacy. Your point is if you are saved anyway, you may as well go snort some coke and have sex and live it up.Let me ask you both, since you are both saved. Are you going out to snort coke and have sex and live it up because you are saved?

We are talking about unbelievers. UR theory tends to encourage them to continue on the "broad road". The desire to live in habitual and willful sin dies when a person is saved.

[ChristyGrl]

Originally Posted by stillkit

Do you have any idea at what point God gave Adolph Hitler the necessary amount of faith to be saved? I wonder if it was before or after he opened the death camps to slaughter God's own Chosen People by the millions? Not to mention an almost equal number of other people! Since he's dead, it had to have been before that, didn't it?

Or, even if not, you're saying that God will save all men in His own good time, including Hitler, without them having to do anything but wait for it to come? Hitler will be in heaven, right alongside those he murdered, without having to repent, have a change of heart, seek forgiveness or anything else? It's like God will say, "Come on in brother Adolph. I'll put you right next to Pastor Neimour and Ann Frank. I'm sure they'll be glad to see you!"

Do you fully know Gods Ultimate Plan for us all?????????? Did it ever occur to you that there is a purpose for God creating people like Adolph Hitler and others like him?????????? Perhaps we are supposed to be learning something and evolving consciously from the mistakes these people have made...has any of this ever occurred to you??????????? Is God so small to you that you think he creates people that will NEVER be saved...EVER???????

Just because our finite minds cannot ascertain a purpose for these types of people...doesn't mean there isn't one.

Romans 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

We all have a purpose that fits neatly into Gods plan (whether we be vessels of good or vessels of destruction)...it's HIS plan and only he knows the purpose.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Zero 7

I'll put the sarcasm tag on next time.

Actually sarcasm is against the board rules.

My example about the Christian sipping beer and being a couch potato vs. the agnostic helping in the soup kitchen, well, I can relate to. My own father is agnostic but has devoted most of his life helping the poor.
Me, born-again and I do like that couch. This gnawed at me for years. Me, going to heaven yet my dad lost? Didn't add up.

In the end, God, like sparrow has said so often, doesn't give a hoot about what label we slap on ourselves or others, He is interested in WHAT WE DO and whether or not we have LOVE for others. That's what matters.

Your works can't save you. Sorry.

[Zero 7]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Actually sarcasm is against the board rules.



Your works can't save you. Sorry.

Finn, I understand that. Only Jesus saves. But you can still identify a tree by the fruit it produces.

[legoman]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

We are talking about unbelievers. UR theory tends to encourage them to continue on the "broad road". The desire to live in habitual and willful sin dies when a person is saved.

....

Your works can't save you. Sorry.

Hypocrisy.


First you are saying that if God will save you anyway, you may as well snort some coke, have sex, and live it up.

Now you say your works can't save you. So why not snort some coke, have sex, and go and live it up? Your theory encourages people to stay on the broad road.


The desire to live in habitual and willful sin dies when a person is saved. Yes that is the answer and it has nothing to do with whether you believe in UR or not! You bring up things like "snorting coke", "living it up", etc. as if there are no consequences to such activities; as if you want to be out doing these things. Its like you are suggesting we all secretly want to be out snorting coke, but because we are "saved", we are forced to "miss out".

Yet you admit your works don't save you.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Your works can't save you. Sorry.

True, living in habitual and willful sin will have no effect upon salvation.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by stillkit

Even if it hasn't been mentioned before, why not? If there are no standards to meet, nothing to do but wait for God to save you, why not do anything you like? After all, it must not be sin as God surely isn't going to hold you accountable for it.

Even most non-Christians realize that doing drugs and having sex is not living it up. I wonder why Christians think they are missing out because they don't do these things (when many actual do yet proclaim they are indeed still saved).

Interesting look into your heart.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by legoman

First you are saying that if God will save you anyway, you may as well snort some coke, have sex, and live it up.

Yes, if you tell people they will be saved after they die, they are likely to reject Christ now, and continue on the broad road.

Now you say your works can't save you. So why not snort some coke, have sex, and go and live it up? Your theory encourages people to stay on the broad road.

That is right. Your works cannot save you. What I told you have nothing to do with works, you are mixing two conversations into one. When people come to Lord and are saved, the Holy Spirit will take away their desire to live in habitual and willful sin. That is what "dead to sin" means. But of course when you tell people they will be saved after they die, they will not accept salvation and they will continue to be in the darkness.

The desire to live in habitual and willful sin dies when a person is saved. Yes that is the answer and it has nothing to do with whether you believe in UR or not! You bring up things like "snorting coke", "living it up", etc. as if there are no consequences to such activities; as if you want to be out doing these things. Its like you are suggesting we all secretly want to be out snorting coke, but because we are "saved", we are forced to "miss out".Yet you admit your works don't save you

You try to link this to works, but there is no connection. Sinning comes naturally to the unbelievers, while the desire to avoid habitual sin comes naturally to believers. In other words believers do not need to be forced to miss out. Once again, I am talking about the consequence of UR message to unbelievers. The consequence is severe and could be everlasting. This is why you need to be careful what you tell people, as you could be leading people to destruction. It does not have any consequence to a believer because it is easily identified as just another false teaching among so many others

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

True, living in habitual and willful sin will have no effect upon salvation.

If you say so