Why Won't God/Jesus Show Themselves To Us Today? (beliefs, mystic, blood)

[Theophane]

Originally Posted by Ilene Wright

Did ya read the thread? Seeing His face, actually visually seeing His face is not what I'm talking about. I would settle for a dream or vision. And I'm okay with dying to be able to see His face.....but that's just me.

People have dreams and visions all the time. And they talk about their experiences on City-Data.

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by Theophane

People have dreams and visions all the time. And they talk about their experiences on City-Data.

Uh yeah I know.....do a search and you can find where I talked about it myself. I've had visions, and I've had dreams. Granted I was a full-blown fundamentalist when I had those visions and I misinterpreted all of it and completely misunderstood it but I know what I saw. And when Jesus presents Himself to me (and He will) I'll know what I see then too. What is your point exactly?

[Theophane]

Originally Posted by Ilene Wright

Uh yeah I know.....do a search and you can find where I talked about it myself. I've had visions, and I've had dreams. Granted I was a full-blown fundamentalist when I had those visions and I misinterpreted all of it and completely misunderstood it but I know what I saw. And when Jesus presents Himself to me (and He will) I'll know what I see then too. What is your point exactly?

You de-ligitimize your own dream and visions, yet you still want to experience God? Are you a believer or a non-believer? I don't think you know. I think you are deeply conflicted about trash-talking Christian belief but wanting to have God in your life at the same time.

[BudinAk]

Originally Posted by Ilene Wright

Honestly, I don't get it. I was reading this post by Stillkit in another thread and it got me thinking about why God doesn't show Himself physically to us now, like Jesus did when He arose from the dead.

I'm not talking about people who claim to hear the voice of God or I'm not saying that God is not within us.....I'm speaking of real, tangible evidence like was given to the people in Jesus' time. Sometimes I feel like we've been abandoned to fend for ourselves and if you don't have the right belief system then you're screwed (according to some people).

Wouldn't it be great if God would physically prove Himself to all of us? Jesus HAD to return from the grave to "prove" that He was the Messiah so why can't He do that now? What was so special about that time and those people that we can't have the same courtesy?

I know what all the arguments will be.....I don't have enough faith that God is here with us now and I'm questioning God and His plan. Yes I do have faith, gobs of it, and no I am not questioning God's plan. And then there will be the argument that even if Jesus did return and walk among us there would still be unbelievers. True, I suppose but remember what Jesus had to do with "doubting" Thomas? I just don't see why we have to have all of this secrecy and mystery.....sometimes I feel like God has left the building.

Am I the only one who ever wonders about this?

If God proved His existence to us all, then no faith at all would be required. However, the Bible says the just shall live by faith, not by irrefutable scientific proof:

Romans 1:16-18
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

There are many voices today clamoring for "proof"...they don't want to live by faith.

Bud

[stillkit]

Originally Posted by BudinAk

If God proved His existence to us all, then no faith at all would be required. However, the Bible says the just shall live by faith, not by irrefutable scientific proof:

Romans 1:16-18
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

There are many voices today clamoring for "proof"...they don't want to live by faith.

Bud

But, there was proof enough for those of us who believe to determine to do so. It's not that those who reject Christ want more proof, they want absolute proof and that's not coming!

[Marlbron]

Originally Posted by Theophane

Seeing the face of God is never going to happen. No one sees the Face of Godf and lives.

God exist on earth in 3 states. When he chooses to interact with humans he is like any other man. But he can also exist in this world in a Higher state and in a Divine state. In the divine state, he assumes his spirit nature 100% and if a man(sinful) sees him, he will certainly die.

So, to summarize, you can see the face of God and live if he is in the human or higher state. I need to remind you that people saw Jesus, in his two states and did not die.


The Bible clearly tells us that '..they shall see his face and his name will be on their forehead'. How come you refuse to believe this?

[Marlbron]

Originally Posted by BudinAk

If God proved His existence to us all, then no faith at all would be required. However, the Bible says the just shall live by faith, not by irrefutable scientific proof:

Romans 1:16-18
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

There are many voices today clamoring for "proof"...they don't want to live by faith.

Bud

Your living by Faith sounds nice but if we remember the life of John the Baptist, we realize that whenever man is tested or tempted, his Faith often fails, with Job being the only exception. It is not easy to live by faith, but only God makes it possible.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

"God is not a man...." "no no... not so fast"

One of the foundations of the Spirit of truth is that Jesus the man was God. Through inspiration, John wrote from the very beginning with the fact that he acknowledged that Jesus was God (John 1:1-3).

In his subsequent writings, he already was being directed to write that the spirit of the anti-christ can be identified by what people were claiming about Jesus. The spirit of the anti-christ is found in any person who rejects that Jesus never appeared on the scene or that Jesus isn't God in the flesh. 1 John 2:22, 1 John 4:3, 2 John 1:7


God had Paul write ...Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of theDeity lives in bodily form,


Before the word "trinity" was coined, "Deity" was term used for the Godhead.

What you have just said twin is the reason why many have a hard time seeing God.


God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth ..........Jesus' own words. John 4:24

[ans57]

Originally Posted by pcamps

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth ..........Jesus' own words. John 4:24

[garya123]

Originally Posted by Theophane

Seeing the face of God is never going to happen. No one sees the Face of Godf and lives.

MT 5:8 "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God." Moses saw only the back side of God because he was under the Old Testament of only the letter of the law which was glorious, but here in the New Testament era, Grace is much so more glorious so that we now come face to face with God in Spirit and die to self. God does not have a face per say ["no man has seen His shape"] because God is the Spirit of Glory. Glory means BEAUTY OF CHARACTER. When we see His Glory, that Glory is imparted to us so that we might know Him face to face in Spirit and in Truth which enables us to stand boldly before the Throne of God.

If one where to literally die when one sees the face of God then God would not invite us to seek His face as the following scripture tells us to:
2CHRON 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Not only do we "see" His face now, but all these other things:
HEB 12:18 "For you have not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
HEB 12:22But you are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the Heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of Angels,
HEB 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
HEB 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaks better things then that of Abel."
As these Truths sink in you should come to realize that you are now a part of the New Jerusalem that is being built upon the foundations of the Apostles and when completed, we will rule over the New Heaven and New Earth. If these things are not taught and believed, in then you will not "see",

But even now Jesus said we are to rule by it's light:
MT 5:14 You are the light of the world. A city [the New Jerusalem] that is set on an hill [Mt. Zion] cannot be hid.
PS 87:5 "And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.
PS 87:6 The Lord shall count, when he writes [in the Book of Life] up the people, that this man was born there. Selah."