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The original question was not whether or not you can become a Christian without the Bible, it's whether or not you can BE one without it, however you define it. That's a whole 'nuther issue.
And, it seems to me (you may correct me if I'm wrong), but no matter what Jesus you claim, it STILL requires the Bible to prove your case, positively or negatively.
But, you have no source to point to which defines that other Jesus except your own opinion, which isn't accepted as evidence anywhere. All you basically have is, "the Bible is wrong or you're misinterpreting it," either of which is STILL based upon the Bible! The base position for every argument here is the reality of Jesus, however you define Him, and nobody has yet offered any other source for believing in His reality.
Where is the proof of that other interpretation of Jesus? At least we who believe in the Biblical Jesus have something we can point to as evidence. Where's yours?
You misuse and profane the Gospel of Christ by retaining the ancient ignorance of our primitive ancestors. The Bible tells us OF Christ and how to validate Him, etc. in the OT . . . BUT NOT the character or motives of God. That is purely savage misunderstanding under the veil of primitive ignorance. The true character and motives of God are revealed in Christ in the NT and in His teachings and the unambiguous example of His life and death. Retaining the veil of ignorance about God that is over the OT and trying to merge the savage beliefs about Jehovah with the Truth of Christ's love for us all has been the greatest triumph of Satan. That failure to properly divide the scriptures has corrupted the "love of God and and each other" for over 2000 years. Fortunately, Christ DOES abide with us . . . God HAS "written in our hearts" . . . and His Holy Spirit CAN guide us to the truth . . . if we eliminate the fear that prevents us from sincerely seeking the truth of God's love within our hearts . . . instead of in the "precepts and doctrines of men."Many of us have done exactly that. Try it . . . you might be surprised at the Christ you encounter in devout and sincere prayer or meditation seeking for what God has "written in our hearts and what your heart truly believes.
So then tell us. If "satan" is a deciever and tells us good things and God tells us good things, where do you draw the line as to what pertains to whom. Seriously, satan (negativity) goes against the workings of God (positivity). In no way can satan be both. Don't give the bull about satan drawing you in with all the goodies then turning evil once he has you in his clutches. Where's the real line with you fundies.
Genesis 3. We are no different.
1 John 4
Test the Spirits
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
You misuse and profane the Gospel of Christ by retaining the ancient ignorance of our primitive ancestors. The Bible tells us OF Christ and how to validate Him, etc. in the OT . . . BUT NOT the character or motives of God. That is purely savage misunderstanding under the veil of primitive ignorance. The true character and motives of God are revealed in Christ in the NT and in His teachings and the unambiguous example of His life and death. Retaining the veil of ignorance about God that is over the OT and trying to merge the savage beliefs about Jehovah with the Truth of Christ's love for us all has been the greatest triumph of Satan. That failure to properly divide the scriptures has corrupted the "love of God and and each other" for over 2000 years. Fortunately, Christ DOES abide with us . . . God HAS "written in our hearts" . . . and His Holy Spirit CAN guide us to the truth . . . if we eliminate the fear that prevents us from sincerely seeking the truth of God's love within our hearts . . . instead of in the "precepts and doctrines of men."Many of us have done exactly that. Try it . . . you might be surprised at the Christ you encounter in devout and sincere prayer or meditation seeking for what God has "written in our hearts and what your heart truly believes.
You're missing the whole point and STILL using the Bible to prove your vision of Christ.
No. Prove it without using the Scriptures at all. Please show me how you can be a Christian without any reference whatsover to the Bible.
You do understand that the early believers did not have the new testament,what they were hearing and responding to was a message delivered by the Spirit.
You do understand that the early believers did not have the new testament,what they were hearing and responding to was a message delivered by the Spirit.
No. They were hearing and responding to the message of the Apostles, who were activated by the Spirit. And then, they put that same message into writing.
Can anyone offer any evidence that the message of the New Testament today is different from the message those people responded to? They learned of Christ's sacrificial death in payment of their sins and His subsequent bodily resurrection, just as we can read it today.
In any case, it STILL seems to me that you can't be a Christian, any kind of Christian, without the Bible because the reality of Jesus, as recorded in the Bible, is the default starting position of everyone here, even those who deny the Biblical Jesus.
No. They were hearing and responding to the message of the Apostles, who were activated by the Spirit. And then, they put that same message into writing.
What you are refusing to see is before the apostles and whoever penned anything, people were believing without the bible.
The apostles were not preaching scripture, they were preaching Christ
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