Who can forgive sins but God alone? (crucify, Messiah, scriptures)

[Mr5150]

Our Scripture reading for today is Luke 5:17-26. From the New KIng James Version:

17 Now it happened on a certain day, as He was teaching, that there were Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting by, who had come out of every town of Galilee, Judea, and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was present to heal them.[a] 18 Then behold, men brought on a bed a man who was paralyzed, whom they sought to bring in and lay before Him. 19 And when they could not find how they might bring him in, because of the crowd, they went up on the housetop and let him down with his bed through the tiling into the midst before Jesus.
20 When He saw their faith, He said to him, “Man, your sins are forgiven you.”
21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, “Why are you reasoning in your hearts? 23 Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise up and walk’? 24 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the man who was paralyzed, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”
25 Immediately he rose up before them, took up what he had been lying on, and departed to his own house, glorifying God. 26 And they were all amazed, and they glorified God and were filled with fear, saying, “We have seen strange things today!”
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So then, what I see here is interesting. The Jews rightly said that only God can forgive sins against Himself. Then Jesus acknowledges what they said by saying what is quoted in v24.

Toughts?

[SuperSoul]

Considering the controversial history of the bible & it's translation, I weigh scriptures with common sense & spirit.
Jesus taught "the kingdom of God is within you."
It's also written, "know ye not that ye are gods?"

Sin is incorrect thinking.
Repentance is correcting thinking,& consequent feeling & action.
So, forgiveness may involve others, but it's mostly a process within us.
For given... Given to go forward.

What I wonder about is the power of healing, suggested in those scriptures.
Sin, or incorrect thoughts, can cause dis ease.
Yet, it seems that Jesus could only heal, or forgive thoughts that contributed to dis ease, if the person had deep faith in his ability to do so.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Our Scripture reading for today is Luke 5:17-26. From the New KIng James Version:

17 Now it happened on a certain day, as He was teaching, that there were Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting by, who had come out of every town of Galilee, Judea, and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was present to heal them.[a] 18 Then behold, men brought on a bed a man who was paralyzed, whom they sought to bring in and lay before Him. 19 And when they could not find how they might bring him in, because of the crowd, they went up on the housetop and let him down with his bed through the tiling into the midst before Jesus.
20 When He saw their faith, He said to him, “Man, your sins are forgiven you.”
21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, “Why are you reasoning in your hearts? 23 Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise up and walk’? 24 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the man who was paralyzed, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”
25 Immediately he rose up before them, took up what he had been lying on, and departed to his own house, glorifying God. 26 And they were all amazed, and they glorified God and were filled with fear, saying, “We have seen strange things today!”
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So then, what I see here is interesting. The Jews rightly said that only God can forgive sins against Himself. Then Jesus acknowledges what they said by saying what is quoted in v24.

Toughts?

Usually the sin against another person or ones self not against God. The Jews believed only a sacrifice in a well timed manner would grant forgiveness... Jesus taught that mercy and love overcomes sin, and receiving forgiveness is easy not complicated.

Jesus forgave the man's sin... Because they were already forgiven even though the man did not have the resource to provide an adequate (according to Jewish leaders) sacrifice.

[Jerwade]

It’s interesting that he forgave sin and healed others, even before they considered him as their blood sacrifice, which came after that of Crucifying Him!
Talk about justifying your own actions in the name of God?

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Jerwade

It’s interesting that he forgave sin and healed others, even before they considered him as their blood sacrifice, which came after that of Crucifying Him!
Talk about justifying your own actions in the name of God?

Apparently he carried some sins while alive...

[ancient warrior]

Who can forgive sins but God alone?
Our Scripture reading for today is Luke 5:17-26. From the New KIng James Version:

17 Now it happened on a certain day, as He was teaching, that there were Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting by, who had come out of every town of Galilee, Judea, and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was present to heal them.[a] 18 Then behold, men brought on a bed a man who was paralyzed, whom they sought to bring in and lay before Him. 19 And when they could not find how they might bring him in, because of the crowd, they went up on the housetop and let him down with his bed through the tiling into the midst before Jesus.
20 When He saw their faith, He said to him, “Man, your sins are forgiven you.”
21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”



RESPONSE:

Catholic priests can. But, like Jesus, they are only doing this through God's authority. Or so they claim.

[pcamps]

Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

Nowadays i find it much easier to forgive sin, than i did in the past. Not only others but mine too.

[Greatest I am]

MR5150

I someone sins against you somehow and you forgive the offence, is that enough forgiveness or does God have to forgive what is already forgiven?
No he does not because the offence has already been forgiven.

Regards
DL

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

MR5150

I someone sins against you somehow and you forgive the offence, is that enough forgiveness or does God have to forgive what is already forgiven?
No he does not because the offence has already been forgiven.

Regards
DL

Guess I shoulda clairified that the sins in question were against God.

Yes, if you cause me an offense (aka sin) against me and I forgive it is done. No problem. But if one sins agaist God, who can forgive? Not some person. That's fer sure.

[twin.spin]

The accusations of the Jews was that by Jesus saying he had the authority and power to truly forgive sins .... is something that God alone can do.

Therefore:
Jesus was claiming to be God by forgiving the sins of people.
The ramifications of this was:
Jesus was claiming to be the foretold Messiah by the prophets
Jesus was usurping the role of the sacrifices
Jesus was usurping the need for priests to go before God for the announcement of forgiveness of sins ....
Jesus was fully and freely forgiving the sins soley on the basis of faith in him.