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Old 09-03-2011, 05:14 PM
 
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I have asked many writers here if they can give a single example of something that the spirit has told them which is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness but CANNOT be found in the Bible.

Not surprisingly no one has given a single example.

It is sad to see people spend so much time and energy in trying to downplay the importance of the Bible. The truth is that the Bible simply contains too many things which are too inconvenient to their own belief systems, and therefore the Bible needs to brushed aside and downplayed as a book of "unreliable ramblings of ignorant and savage ancestors".
You are incorrigible in your lies, Finn. The Bible is NOT brushed aside and downplayed . . . it is properly divided as to its role in instruction and understanding. What is too inconvenient to your own belief system is NOT what the bible tells us about righteousness . . . it is what it tells us that is NOT RIGHTEOUS: Jealousy, hate, vengeance, anger, rape, pillage, genocide of men, non-virgin women, children and babies, stonings, offering daughters up to prevent sodomy of messengers, incest, etc. etc. . . . shall I go on??? That is the inconvenient truth you excuse, rationalize, and accept as "God's ways are not our ways," etc.
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They have declared a war against the word of God, and IMO it is same as declaring war against God Himself.
YOU say the Bible is the Word of God in contradiction of scripture which identifies Christ as the Living Word of God. You equate the Bible with God which is idolatry.

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Old 09-03-2011, 05:41 PM
 
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I trust God. No one will reject God forever. Love never fails. It's that simple. I trust that God is not a liar when he says that ALL will be made alive in Christ, that ALL will worship, that God will be all in ALL.
So why didn't God make us all like that to begin with?

Why the physical earth experience if it doesn't matter in the end.

No consequences basically to how we are or what we do?
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Old 09-03-2011, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Florida
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So why didn't God make us all like that to begin with?

Why the physical earth experience if it doesn't matter in the end.

No consequences basically to how we are or what we do?
Contrast. It takes contrast to KNOW the difference in good and evil. A negative experience is required in order to manifest positive virtues to sentient beings. Even God himself has been OPPOSED by the spirit of anti-Christ because God must have opposition in order to manifest Himself. It's simple, yet profound.
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Old 09-03-2011, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You cannot trust God to lie. It's that simple. If he saves even one person who rejected His love, then it would make God a liar, and that is impossible.
Your desperation to keep people from receiving God's love is really disgusting. It is an obsession for you. You are obviously blind to what you are doing day in and day out on this board. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do....."
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Old 09-03-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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You cannot trust God to lie. It's that simple. If he saves even one person who rejected His love, then it would make God a liar, and that is impossible.
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Your desperation to keep people from receiving God's love is really disgusting. It is an obsession for you. You are obviously blind to what you are doing day in and day out on this board. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do....."
Indeed, what kind of a loaded statement is "you cannot trust God to lie"????

Never mind.
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Old 09-03-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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So why didn't God make us all like that to begin with?
Why the physical earth experience if it doesn't matter in the end.
No consequences basically to how we are or what we do?
What about evolution and maturation do you not understand? NOTHING is created fully evolved or fully mature. Why must this be repeated so often . . . "We reap what we sow." There ARE consequences . . . just NOT eternal ones and they are not punishments.
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Old 09-03-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Your desperation to keep people from receiving God's love is really disgusting. It is an obsession for you. You are obviously blind to what you are doing day in and day out on this board. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do....."
That' a dishonest personal remark, and it is weird to see you associate a prayer to it.
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Old 09-03-2011, 06:21 PM
 
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Was there a time when you did not "have the Son"? Of course. Doesn't mean it was a permanent situation.
You are absolutely correct. But I am referring to those who die without ever coming to Christ....without ever "having the Son".
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Old 09-03-2011, 07:11 PM
 
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john 5:28-29
"for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—
those who have done good will rise to live,
and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned"
...... Jesus
luke 9:26
"if anyone is ashamed of me and my words,
the son of man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory
and in the glory of the father and of the holy angels
." ..... Jesus

john 3:36
whoever believes in the son has eternal life,
but whoever rejects the son will not see life,
for god’s wrath remains on him.”
..
... Jesus

revelation 14:10
"he, too, will drink of the wine of god’s fury,
which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.
He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the lamb"
..... Jesus

ephesians 5:6

let no one deceive you with empty words,
for because of such things god’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.


romans 12:19

do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for god’s wrath,
for it is written: “it is mine to avenge; i will repay,” says the lord.


romans 2:5
but because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart,
you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of god’s wrath,
when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
[It] is a literary reading and writing mindset that gives you knowledge but not true understanding, which only comes from the Spirit.
When the bible becomes the only source, wisdom falls short.
Try reading these with the "Mind of Christ" not that of your own understanding.

Especially,
the part about being tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy messengers and that of Christ.
Because, you have an extremely skewed perception of wrath and that of condemnation; reproof or rebuking!

(Hint: The upbraiding or reprimanding
of the Pharisee's mentality and disposition, should give you a clue.)
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Old 09-03-2011, 07:19 PM
 
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You are absolutely correct. But I am referring to those who die without ever coming to Christ....without ever "having the Son".
And why would that be a permanent situation, as God tells us He will have all men to be saved and He will be all in all.

And what about the babies who died without ever "having the son"? Too late for them too?
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