God warns about the anti-christ cult messages that will dwell within Christianity (10 Commandments, mentioned)

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by Heartsong

Your desperation to keep people from receiving God's love is really disgusting. It is an obsession for you. You are obviously blind to what you are doing day in and day out on this board.

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do....."

Originally Posted by Heartsong

Contrast. It takes contrast to KNOW the difference in good and evil. A negative experience is required in order to manifest positive virtues to sentient beings.
Even God himself has been OPPOSED by the spirit of anti-Christ because God must have opposition in order to manifest Himself. It's simple, yet profound.

[ChristyGrl]

Originally Posted by katjonjj

The fact is: the bible has been found in error. Just as a math book with an error, you don't need to stop using it for instruction.

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

It has been found in error? No it has not.

It has been proven to contain many and sundry errors, additions and deletions....any Christian who professes otherwise is being not only deceitful with others but with themselves as well. The errors can be worked with and resolved...but one first has to admit they are there.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by ChristyGrl

It has been proven to contain many and sundry errors, additions and deletions....any Christian who professes otherwise is being not only deceitful with others but with themselves as well. The errors can be worked with and resolved...but one first has to admit they are there.

You seem more than eager to "admit" there are errors Of course "insist" and "admit" are not quite the same.

[ChristyGrl]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

You seem more than eager to "admit" there are errors Of course "insist" and "admit" are not quite the same.

If you cannot be honest and admit that the factual evidence exists, which we know it does...then your delusion and indoctrination is complete. Good luck with that.

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

You seem more than eager to "admit" there are errors Of course "insist" and "admit" are not quite the same.

There are also those who insist on drinking from a cup of wrath, but cannot admit to their addiction.
For they are powerless to overcome that which enslaves them.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by ChristyGrl

If you cannot be honest and admit that the factual evidence exists, which we know it does...then your delusion and indoctrination is complete. Good luck with that.

It is pretty unkind to make comments like that. If you found errors, why don't you just point them out and leave the personal stabs and sarcastic smiley-faces out of it. Just an idea....

Sometimes its hard to talk with universalists, atheists and new-agers when they get going with the personal remarks.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Jerwade

There are also those who insist on drinking from a cup of wrath, but cannot admit to their addiction.
For they are powerless to overcome that which enslaves them.

Are you talking about a personal problem? Would you like me to pray for you?

[JAA2310]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

I have asked many writers here if they can give a single example of something that the spirit has told them which is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness but CANNOT be found in the Bible.

Not surprisingly no one has given a single example.

It is sad to see people spend so much time and energy in trying to downplay the importance of the Bible. The truth is that the Bible simply contains too many things which are too inconvenient to their own belief systems, and therefore the Bible needs to brushed aside and downplayed as a book of "unreliable ramblings of ignorant and savage ancestors".

They have declared a war against the word of God, and IMO it is same as declaring war against God Himself.

I believe this winds up being the crux of the problem. No one wants to believe the Bible...I sure wouldn't want to.

I would rather believe that I am a reasonably good person, and that God will see that, and that He won't be terribly concerned about those bad things I may have done. Certainly I'm not so bad as those really horrible people that have committed those really horrible atrocities. They're the ones God should have an issue with.

No... the Bible tells me something entirely different. It tells me I have effectively broken God's entire law (imagine, God is so Holy and Righteous that if I keep His whole law and only stumble in one point I'm guilty of all).

So now I can't claim any worthiness before God because I'm guilty of having broken His whole law. I say, 'wait a minute, what's this all about? You're kidding, right?'

Then I get hit with a verse like Isaiah 64:6, which tells me that "all my [our] righteousnesses are like filthy rags". The Bible is telling me that before a Holy God my best works are no more than "filthy rags"?

This bothers me. I'm a good person. I do good things. I want no part of this Bible. I want something that lets me believe my good works will surely outweigh my bad works, because they do...don't they?

So I start hearing more things from the Bible. Now I hear from Romans 3:

Rom 3:10-18

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Now I start to get the picture. I see that God has leveled this indictment against the whole human race. Now I'm thinking I may not be the good guy I thought I was, at least as far as God is concerned. If I am guilty of violating God's law, what am I to do?

Then someone reads Psalm 34:15,16:

15 The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,
And His ears are open to their cry.
16 The face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
To cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

After this, I am referred to Proverbs 11:20,21:

20 Those who are of a perverse heart are an abomination to the LORD,
But the blameless in their ways are His delight.
21 Though they join forces, the wicked will not go unpunished;
But the posterity of the righteous will be delivered.

Up until now I'd thought that all this Bible preaching was a bunch of nonsense. But now, for the first time, I've begun to pay attention. Now, for the first time, I'm worried.

Again I ask, 'What am I going to do about this?' It seems I'm in pretty serious trouble with God.

But then I hear about a Savior whom God has sent to take away the sins of those who place their trust in Him. The more I hear about this Savior, the more I want Him....the more I know I need Him.
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Man, by nature, cannot receive this message. It is our pride, according to Psalm 10, that keeps us from seeking after God on God's terms. As God prepares an individual to hear and receive the Gospel, He gives him "ears to hear" and "a heart to understand".

It is as God sovereignly draws the hearer through the preaching of the Gospel that the sinner comes to faith in Christ unto salvation. By nature we don't want any part of it. But as God sovereignly draws the individual, he finally sees his need of Christ, and clings to Him with all his being.

[JAA2310]

Originally Posted by Reverend1111

Well, since God is Love, can you honestly say you know everything there is to know about love? Not the emotional kind of Love but Divine Love/Consciousness. Since we are all a part of God and we all came from God, Truth cannot be contained within the pages of the bible since Truth is never ending as God is never ending. What may have been true 2000 years ago, is not the same truth as we see it today because we have grown in consciousness. I believe there is more to God than what the bible contains. God cannot be contained in a book because He is Love/Consciousness. You cannot contain either one of those. If you think you can, then by all means, give it a go but you will fail. All you are doing is reiterating other peoples thoughts without doing your own research on God and how to find Him within.

When you meditate and go into the stillness of your mind, you will then meet God. The bible cannot give you God, only the perseptions of men and their own conscious thoughts of who God is. You must use your own consciousness to find God, not a book. And yes, there are a lot of people out there that have met this higher Consciousness and most don't read the bible nor do they adhere to it.

I think this is a very dangerous idea. We ultimately wind up trusting ourselves, as if we are in a position of authority to say what God should be.

Many others will do this, and not necessarily be Christians. The concept of God being love is found in abundance throughout the Bible. The message of Christ and the Gospel is the message of Scripture.

Jesus appealed to Scripture numerous times to validate His position on things. If it hadn't been for the Bible no one could hold to any of the theology held in UR circles. The Bible gave them that "head start", and then they altered it from there.

I understand that the theology of the Bible is hard to embrace. As I stated in my last post, no one, by nature, wants any part of it. But it is through the Bible that the Gospel is preached.

The good news of Jesus Christ is there. But the idea that everyone will be saved is not. We are exhorted to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. Not all will do this.

One of my favorite passages to share when witnessing is the parable of the Pharisee and the publican. Please let me cite it here:

Luke 18:10-14

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

God undersores this idea in Isaiah 66:2

Isa 66:2

For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,"
Says the LORD.
"But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My word.

and:

Ps 34:18
18 The LORD is near to those who have a broken heart,
And saves such as have a contrite spirit.

This is how we must come to Christ ("nothing in my hand I bring, simply to thy cross I cling")

[JAA2310]

Originally Posted by legoman

And why would that be a permanent situation, as God tells us He will have all men to be saved and He will be all in all.

And what about the babies who died without ever "having the son"? Too late for them too?

Not all men without exception. Just "all" those who were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.