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I don't understand why you keep talking about an "instead" message. What is the instead that you believe I've proclaimed? That God is LOVE instead of wrath? Nowhere does the bible proclaim that God IS wrath.
Sorry to hear about your confused past, but there is nothing wrong in sticking to the topic and proving the facts. It is odd that you ask Twin a question, and when he gives you the obvious answer you claim that you can't understand why he talks about it.
It is like asking "what color is the opposite of white"?
And you get the obvious answer "black", then you say "why are you fixated with darkness and negativity?".
Sorry to hear about your confused past, but there is nothing wrong in sticking to the topic and proving the facts. It is odd that you ask Twin a question, and when he gives you the obvious answer you claim that you can't understand why he talks about it.
It is like asking "what color is the opposite of white"?
And you get the obvious answer "black", then you say "why are you fixated with darkness and negativity?".
You can't really talk... You have that same mote in your eye, the inability to comprehend that your idea of love and god quite possibly be skewed. A concept born of misunderstanding not ignorance. Yet your rejection of that which is of love means your view of love is tainted. IMO. Of course.
Finn and twin... (Lol it rhymes.) can you admit the possibility that the teaching of hell and damnation for sinners is incomplete or even worse that it shows a lack of trust in god?
The URer believes that god WILL accomplish all men to be saved. Is that not a good thing, inherently? Yet the ETer believes God fails to provide sustenance leading to salvation to the majority... Isn't that depressing to you or even oppressive?
And you get the obvious answer "black", then you say "why are you fixated with darkness and negativity?".
You are equating the word black in your little scenario to Twin's fixation on "wrath" and then you prove my point that it's all about perspective ... from your perspective, and Twin's, you equate God's wrath to darkness and negativity. I do not. God is light, Finn. There's no darkness in him at all. His judgments teach righteousness so there's nothing negative about the end result. I'd much prefer to learn righteousness through cooperation with LOVE in the first place, of course, but either way, the end result is all GOOD, because GOD IS GOOD.
You can't really talk... You have that same mote in your eye, the inability to comprehend that your idea of love and god quite possibly be skewed. A concept born of misunderstanding not ignorance. Yet your rejection of that which is of love means your view of love is tainted. IMO. Of course.
Yes IMO indeed. Nothing but your opinon, but thanks for sharing your opinon, which always contains some kind of misrepresentations of my views.
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The URer believes that god WILL accomplish all men to be saved. Is that not a good thing, inherently? Yet the ETer believes God fails to provide sustenance leading to salvation to the majority... Isn't that depressing to you or even oppressive?
Is it a good thing to claim God will do something He has said He will NOT do? No, it is not a good thing. It may sound good to you, but since it is not true, it can't be good. How could a lie be good?
You are equating the word black in your little scenario to Twin's fixation on "wrath" and then you prove my point that it's all about perspective ... from your perspective, and Twin's, you equate God's wrath to darkness and negativity. I do not. God is light, Finn. There's no darkness in him at all. His judgments teach righteousness so there's nothing negative about the end result. I'd much prefer to learn righteousness through cooperation with LOVE in the first place, of course, but either way, the end result is all GOOD, because GOD IS GOOD.
Is it a good thing to claim God will do something He has said He will NOT do? No, it is not a good thing. It may sound good to you, but since it is not true, it can't be good. How could a lie be good?
You don't accept that God said that He will have all to be saved, all will be made alive, all will worship God, all be reconciled ... but you not accepting it does not mean that it is a lie.
You don't accept that God said that He will have all to be saved, all will be made alive, all will worship God, all be reconciled ... but you not accepting it does not mean that it is a lie.
How many times do same things need to be repeated......
Pleroo,
Can you no longer see the contradiction with these two statements:
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That God is LOVE instead of wrath? Nowhere does the bible proclaim that God IS wrath.
and then immediately you say:
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You're very fixated on "wrath" passages,
How could I be "fixated on wrath passages" if it isn't nowhere in the Bible?
Are these passages not in your Bible ?:
2 Chronicles 36:16
But they mocked God’s messengers, despised his words and scoffed at his prophets until the wrath of the LORD was aroused against his people and there was no remedy.
Job 20:28
A flood will carry off his house, rushing waters on the day of God’swrath.
Jeremiah 25:15
This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, said to me: “Take from my hand this cup filled with the wine of my wrath and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it.
John 3:36
" ... but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.”
Romans 1:18
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
Romans 2:5
But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath
How many times do same things need to be repeated......
The infamous "depends on what IS means" response.
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