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Old 08-14-2011, 07:44 AM
 
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Just so we can be clear.

You say:



as a reply to



The truth is God IS Love.

So... what exactly are you saying??
Where in Scripture does it say Hawyaw is merely LOVE?...I see where Christ commands us to Love Hawyaw with all our heart, mind and soul and to love our neighbors as ourselves and by doing this we will be keeping the Law...If we do this we will not covet our neighbor, commit adultry, have other gods before Hawyaw, murder, we will keep one day as the Sabbath out of 7 days...Even in the NT, did Hawyaw not take the physical lives of Ananias and Saphira for lying to the Holy Spirit?...Did Hawayaw not hand the sinner in Corinth over to Satan so that he may learn not to blaspheme?...From you understanding of LOVE, those actions seem fairly harsh for a "loving God" to do to His children...Unless, there are other attributes of Hawyaw that you are just plain ignoring because they do not fit with the type of god you desire to worship....I knew a young man many years ago that did not want to worship a God that did not give everyone a chance and totally ignored Paul's dicertation on the Elect of Hawyaw...He stated that if that were True, he did not want to follow a God who would do such a thing...So, he follows a god created in his own image and belief of what the attributes of a god should be...
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:20 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Have you studied each one of those religious sects theology to see what has been incorporated into the True Faith of Christ?....
Some not all.

The list does reflect that the reality here is just the repackaging of the same old opposition that God has warned about.
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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How do you tell if someone has Christ in them?
You will know them by their "Fruit"...if their fruit is rotten (condemning, judging, hateful, envious, etc.)...they are NOT IN CHRIST!
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:31 AM
 
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First off..this is a summarization from the the book "Our Great Heritage, vol III"



the Bible speaks of two separate anti-christ's
  1. anti-christ (small "a") ... often associated in general terms connected with their message generally speaking
  2. Anti-christ (capital "A") ... specifically pointing to the person in singular terms
The word "anti" does not limit itself to the understanding of "against", but it also has the meaning of "instead". (this OP is about the small "a")


1 John 4:1-3
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,
because many false prophets have gone out into the world....
This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.


There was the Judaizing teachers within the church written about in Galatians
  • taught that salvation was by mixing faith and obedience to the law and mandatory circumcision
Shortly after them was the Gnostics
  • taught that salvation was achieved through a higher degree of knowledge (IMO...the father of what would be called New Age \ mysticism)
The heresies of Irenaeus (died about 200 AD)
  • [created more falsehoods] in his attempt to refute the Gnosticics
The Ariens
  • taught that Jesus was like God but not equal to God
The Nestorians
  • who denied any sharing of attributes between the two natures in the person of Christ
The Monophysites
  • taught that there was only one nature in Christ
The Monotheletes
  • denied Jesus' human nature had a will
The Bogomiles (peaked in the 12th century)
  • taught a mixture of Dualism and Gnosticism
The Cathari and Albigenses
  • deny the reality of Jesus' death
(and from the 14th century till current)

The great mass of anti-Trinitarians and antichristian sects
  • which has produced social gospels and Modernism

Excellent treatise here . Essentially, ANYTHING/ANY DOCTRINE that defames or demotes the finished work of Christ on calvary and/or the very person of Christ is going to be at the forefront of attack .... because this is the kingpin of the Christian Faith and the only means by which Man can be saved and by which Satanic strategies can be crushed.
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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Just ask. If a Christian does not acknowledge experiencing Christ within his heart, then you know that he still hasn't experienced regeneration.
Does this regeneration need to expand in order to maintain ones Christianity?
Or is it a one time event?

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If regeneration has occurred, the person will acknowledge that they feel Christ in them, and that, at least to some degree, they are overcoming the flesh, and are experiencing a new joy, peace, kindness, gentleness towards others, love towards God, man, and all things good.
If that is not the case, and they still say they are Christian's.
Is that Anti-Christ, or ?

Thanks ~ Mo
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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You will know them by their "Fruit"...if their fruit is rotten (condemning, judging, hateful, envious, etc.)...they are NOT IN CHRIST!
Etc. ? Are you meaning if thy continue to sin they are NOT IN CHRIST!

Does that make them Anti-Christ?
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: On a road heaven bound !
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Excellent treatise here . Essentially, ANYTHING/ANY DOCTRINE that defames or demotes the finished work of Christ on calvary and/or the very person of Christ is going to be at the forefront of attack .... because this is the kingpin of the Christian Faith and the only means by which Man can be saved and by which Satanic strategies can be crushed.
Amen.... and that is exactly what we are discerning through some individuals here....
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:57 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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How do you tell if someone has Christ in them?
This is how:
1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The spiritually discerned promote that truth and salvation is found "within oneself" ... not the only source which is the Bible.

The spiritually discerned use the anti-christ message of "instead" to verses like John 3:36, Matthew 25:41-46, Rev 20 - 21, John 3:16, 1 Cor 1:21

The spiritually discerned deny Jesus is God
The spiritually discerned the Triune God
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Etc. ? Are you meaning if thy continue to sin they are NOT IN CHRIST!

Does that make them Anti-Christ?
I will say this...There are many who label themselves Christians (and they sincerely think they are)...but they don't understand what a Christian truly is...they don't understand the transformation they have to undergo from WITHIN to be TRULY IN CHRIST...they don't WORK OUT their salvation with fear and trembling. Easy believism is the order of the day...and they stagnate in those beliefs, never undergoing the true RESURRECTION TO LIFE...the LIFE that is available to us ALL the CHRIST WITHIN US.
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Old 08-14-2011, 09:06 AM
 
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You will know them by their "Fruit"...if their fruit is rotten (condemning, judging, hateful, envious, etc.)...they are NOT IN CHRIST!

Do you mean like this........

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Exactly "what lie" is it that you think we are believing Twin?????????? Is it that GOD IS LOVE....or that that you must crucify and put to death your carnal/egoic self???????

Considering these concepts are both found in scripture...I'm a might confused as to exactly what you believe in and how you can construe these as anti-christ cult messages.

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~ MLK
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Yes HE did!!! It's a shame the majority of Christianity missed it or perhaps they just choose to ignore it...it is definitely NOT the easy road to take. Just saying...
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Seriously...It truly leaves me in utter awe and astonishment...the kinds of sick twisted minds that could ever think or even speculate that a person who focuses on GODS LOVE could or would ever be punished for that.
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Who has rejected it???????? Just because we disagree on the interpretation doesn't mean we reject it...don't you get that???????

And yes...if one puts what the bible says above what the spirit reveals to one...what else can that person be called but A BIBLE WORSHIPER!!!
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Yeah...really Mike?????????? You must really think people are STUPID if you honestly think they will buy that...but, then again, you certainly did.

BTW...I am not antagonistic towards biblical truth...I am, however, antagonistic towards your version of biblical truth...HUGE DIFFERENCE.
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It seems that anyone who doesn't accept "their" version of biblical truth is the anti-christ. Since that is the case...I will happily continue to be the anti-christ to them...for "their" truth is truly BAD NEWS!
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That is nothing more than a huge FALSE STATEMENT which has been THOROUGHLY PROVEN to be UNTRUE and I sincerely
question your motives behind sticking by such a FALSE STATEMENT...why would you do that??????? Why would you mislead people in such a way??????? What is your agenda??????
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I will say this...There are many who label themselves Christians (and they sincerely think they are)...but they don't understand what a Christian truly is...they don't understand the transformation they have to undergo from WITHIN to be TRULY IN CHRIST...they don't WORK OUT their salvation with fear and trembling. Easy believism is the order of the day...and they stagnate in those beliefs, never undergoing the true RESURRECTION TO LIFE...the LIFE that is available to us ALL the CHRIST WITHIN US.


YES, we will know them by their fruit !!!
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