God warns about the anti-christ cult messages that will dwell within Christianity (pray, homosexuals)

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by pcamps

LOL It's a vain attempt at avoiding the question and nothing more.You have no answer to it, period, you might as well say because the bible says so, or that old favorite of the fundy's that brings God down lower than the way a fundy thinks "His thoughts and ways are not ours".

Abstract stupidity ?. to think that it would never enter your mind as a christian born of the spirit of God not to torment someone, but the same spirit you are supposedly born of not only would torment but eternally torment. .

You believe higher about yourself than you do God you supposedly believe in.

It's not vain...you have no way of getting around the fact only if one uses anti-christ messages to deny clear passages like Psalm 11:5-6, Matthew 25:41-46, John 3:36 can one maintain the postions you hold.

God warns the Christian to be aware of such messages coming from false prophets \ teachers that worm their way in.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

It's not vain...you have no way of getting around the fact only if one uses anti-christ messages to deny clear passages like Psalm 11:5-6, Matthew 25:41-46, John 3:36 can one maintain the postions you hold.

God warns the Christian to be aware of such messages coming from false prophets \ teachers that worm their way in.

Of cause it's vain you have not answered the question, because you can't, so you throw a religious smokescreen out there.
It's you who is denying that God demonstrated his love towards sinners while still sinners,you believe he hates sinners, what is wrong with you ?, are you so spiritually dead that you cannot see that if God hated sinners,we might as well all pack up and go home, including you.

Organized christianity(including the Lutheran Church) is anti Christ .

[ChristyGrl]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Every time we are asked why we believe the savage beliefs about God in the OT are evil . . . we should point them to this post! How any sane and loving human being could ever abide such beliefs about our loving God is beyond my comprehension. It is this kind of acceptance of evil as good that makes me believe in "hardened hearts." THIS is an example of the ANTI-Christ message that has corrupted the mainstream churches for over 2000 years.

I hate to make comparisons...but I recently saw a documentary on that nutcase Fred Phelps & his crazy family from that Westboro group...Mikes posts are very similar to the way that guy preaches. It's pure hatred...taking the most heinous things written in the bible by men and calling it or equating it to the actions of our loving God.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Romans 5:8 does not save a person from God's wrath due to rejecting the truth.

That is true, the issue is what Gods wrath does.

I know what Gods wrath did for me, it caused me to accept him............

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

That is true, the issue is what Gods wrath does.

I know what Gods wrath did for me, it caused me to accept him............

Let's say that we're on the same page as whom God is, whom Jesus is, that Jesus rose physically and that by faith we are saved.....then praise God.

[EinsteinsGhost]

Originally Posted by Mike555

The various peoples who lived in the land that God promised to Israel were evil and idolatrous. It was the Lord's purpose to take the land from these people and give it to the Israelites .And when the Israelites settled in the land they were often at war with Israel.

Deut 9:5 ''It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.


Idolatry and demonism was rampant among the people who God in His justice was to dispossess from the land. Even the animals were subject to demon possession. And for that reason, God ordered their destruction.

God also sometimes ordered the death of children and babies. Babies are incapable of making moral choices, and so on the basis of the work that the Messiah would do on the cross in the future, those babies that God ordered killed were automatically saved. God was doing them a favor by having them killed. Also, God knows what they would have done when they grew up if they had been allowed to live. They would have been a corrupting influence on Israel. God was extremely clear that he did not want the sons and daughters of the corrupted peoples of the land to marry the sons and daughters of the Israelites. Otherwise Israel would have been led astray through false worship to idols.

Deut 7:1 ''When the LORD your God shall bring you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and shall clear away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girga****es and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you, 2] and when the LORD your God shall deliver them before you, and you shall defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. 3] ''Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. 4''For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you. 5] ''But thus you shall do to them; you shall tear down their altars, and smash their sacred pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn thrir graven images with fire.

It is why I feel that the anti-Christ firmly planted within Christianity.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Mike555

God also sometimes ordered the death of children and babies. Babies are incapable of making moral choices, and so on the basis of the work that the Messiah would do on the cross in the future, those babies that God ordered killed were automatically saved. God was doing them a favor by having them killed. Also,

We have many things in common

1) "Babies are incapable of making moral choices"

however:

1. “There is no one righteous, not even one Romans 3:10
2. "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Psalm 51:5

2) "those babies that God ordered killed were automatically saved"

1. 1. We are not told that in scripture
   2. We leave that situation at the mercy seat of God
      • "Do not go beyond what is written" 1 Corinthians 4:6
   3. It is that mentality that causes people to kill their babies...which is obviously an attempt to use human decision ( or insanity) to ursurp or force God's justice.
   4. We need to have faith that Jesus will justly handle the situation
      • "And he [God] has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man"John 5:27
        
      • " I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just" John 5:30
        

3) God was doing them a favor by having them killed.

sorry Mike...even for me that is questionable.

[EinsteinsGhost]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

We have many things in common

1) "Babies are incapable of making moral choices"
2) "those babies that God ordered killed were automatically saved"
3) God was doing them a favor by having them killed.

sorry Mike...even for me that is questionable.

Now you see what goes on in that camp.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

3) God was doing them a favor by having them killed.

sorry Mike...even for me that is questionable.

We agree here , but we may not see it the same way, so simply allow me to provide my perspective.

A woman killed her children over the same premise, that they would automatically be saved since according to what she was taught they were not at the age of accountability.

The parodox that creates reveals the false doctrine of automatic salvation. Twin, you may believe I think Salvation is automatic for everyone, so I am hopefully qualifying my post so that we do not have to argue over that here. I do not believe it works that way, even for an infant.

But I digress, the paradox is that a woman was willling to potentially sacrifice her own soul to save her children, that selfless act is actually what we are called to do in scripture.

The teaching of murdering our children is not scriptural of course and by traditional standards, the woman has sentenced herself to hell.

But then that is the revelation of the false teaching that Mike promotes. Was it murder if she believed she was sparing her children from a fate taught to be so horrible that we would be better off dead?

What if she really was sparing her children from a fate that may rest in their hands? The Mother removed all chance of them going to Hell sacrificing herself for them. Can such a selfless act then be considered Evil? Not really. So potentially, according to traditional threats of damanation and to be selfless in our acts towards one another, the woman will be rewarded.

[Mike555]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

We have many things in common

1) "Babies are incapable of making moral choices"

however:

1. “There is no one righteous, not even one Romans 3:10
2. "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Psalm 51:5

2) "those babies that God ordered killed were automatically saved"

1. 1. We are not told that in scripture
   2. We leave that situation at the mercy seat of God
      • "Do not go beyond what is written" 1 Corinthians 4:6
   3. It is that mentality that causes people to kill their babies...which is obviously an attempt to use human decision ( or insanity) to ursurp or force God's justice.
   4. We need to have faith that Jesus will justly handle the situation
      • "And he [God] has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man"John 5:27
        
      • " I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just" John 5:30
        

3) God was doing them a favor by having them killed.

sorry Mike...even for me that is questionable.

The work of Jesus Christ on the cross, took down the barrier of sin that stood between man and God. Therefore, the only issue in salvation is to place your faith in Christ for salvation. God demands that a decision be made to believe in Christ in order to take possession of the gift of eternal life. Babies don't have the ability to understand the issue. For that reason, God in fairness cannot and does not demand of a baby that which it cannot do. Babies are automatically saved based soley on what Christ did on the cross. It is only when a person becomes mentally capable of understanding the issue that he becomes responsible to respond to the gospel message.

When God ordered the deaths of the babies of Israel's enemies, they were automatically saved and are in heaven today. It need not be specifically addressed in Scripture. It is a matter of understanding that God cannot be unfair. To condemn a baby to eternal separation from God when it is absolutely impossible for the baby to understand and respond to the issue of salvation would make God unfair.