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Rom 11:27-32 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away
their sins. (28) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your
sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers'
sakes. (29) For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(30) For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now
obtained mercy through their unbelief: (31) Even so have these also now
not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. (32)
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy
upon all.
Notice the above was written about 2000 years ago. All those people died 2000 years ago. Yet Paul says that God is going to have mercy on all those who were stubborn and unbelieving that died 2000 years ago. By "mercy" Paul means God is going to save them (even though they died in unbelief 2000 years ago) just as He was merciful to us by giving us salvation.
Also, the "might" in "might have mercy" is not the "might" of doubt but the "might" of dependency. It is a subjunctive. It goes like this: I have a pen in my hand. I loose my grip upon the pen that it "might" fall to the floor. The pen will surely fall should I loose my grip upon it.
Rom 11:27-32 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away
their sins. (28) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your
sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers'
sakes. (29) For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(30) For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now
obtained mercy through their unbelief: (31) Even so have these also now
not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. (32)
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy
upon all.
Notice the above was written about 2000 years ago. All those people died 2000 years ago. Yet Paul says that God is going to have mercy on all those who were stubborn and unbelieving that died 2000 years ago. By "mercy" Paul means God is going to save them (even though they died in unbelief 2000 years ago) just as He was merciful to us by giving us salvation.
Also, the "might" in "might have mercy" is not the "might" of doubt but the "might" of dependency. It is a subjunctive. It goes like this: I have a pen in my hand. I loose my grip upon the pen that it "might" fall to the floor. The pen will surely fall should I loose my grip upon it.
Too bad that before Rom 11:27-32 there happens to be Rom 11:1-26 where Paul happens to quote Psalms in which God will
"God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day. And David says: May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever.”
"backs be bent forever" is the OT way of saying ( as you would say) being "tortured forever".
The great mass of anti-Trinitarians and antichristian sects
which has produced social gospels and Modernism
The trinity belief is one of the most insidious anti-Christ deceptions. What better way to lead people astray than to obfuscate the identity of the one we must believe in.
People have been convinced to believe in a teaching that is unreasoning, illogical, mysterious, and non-Biblical.
So many people have strong faith in the false trinity. This is a key part of the deception. You are required to check your intellect at the door in order to believe in it therefore those followers have an undiscerning allegiance, which requires immeasurable amounts blind faith. Since they have been taught a strong "faith" is required, they get that immediate gratification that they are "believing by faith".
I well understand the library of faux academics to support the false trinity belief, it is not devoid of a detailed narrative. However, the abundance of supporting obfuscation does not validate the initial deception. The alarming part is that people are deceived into believing it even though after all the explanations there is not even ONE of the tenets of that belief articulated in the Bible.
The accurate teachings of the Christ were attacked immediately and that anti-Christ message has been perpetuated until this day in the false teachings of a trinity belief.
The trinity belief is one of the most insidious anti-Christ deceptions. What better way to lead people astray than to obfuscate the identity of the one we must believe in.
People have been convinced to believe in a teaching that is unreasoning, illogical, mysterious, and non-Biblical.
So many people have strong faith in the false trinity. This is a key part of the deception. You are required to check your intellect at the door in order to believe in it therefore those followers have an undiscerning allegiance, which requires immeasurable amounts blind faith. Since they have been taught a strong "faith" is required, they get that immediate gratification that they are "believing by faith".
I well understand the library of faux academics to support the false trinity belief, it is not devoid of a detailed narrative. However, the abundance of supporting obfuscation does not validate the initial deception. The alarming part is that people are deceived into believing it even though after all the explanations there is not even ONE of the tenets of that belief articulated in the Bible.
The accurate teachings of the Christ were attacked immediately and that anti-Christ message has been perpetuated until this day in the false teachings of a trinity belief.
The accurate teachings of Christ were attacted immediately despite from those who understood that God is triune ... as what is evidenced by the Jewish religious leaders own statements.
There is such a thing as when a person is so wicked that they make every effort to not see it when presented, or not listen when told. When that resistance occurs, there is nothing that stops God in making it impossible for that person to see or hear the truth when the Bible does indeed speak of
Father is God
Son is God
Holy Spirit is God
................Yet there is only one God
All we can pray for is that God allows you to see the truth and remove the wanton stubbornness of your eyes and ears.
The trinity belief is one of the most insidious anti-Christ deceptions. What better way to lead people astray than to obfuscate the identity of the one we must believe in.
People have been convinced to believe in a teaching that is unreasoning, illogical, mysterious, and non-Biblical.
So many people have strong faith in the false trinity. This is a key part of the deception. You are required to check your intellect at the door in order to believe in it therefore those followers have an undiscerning allegiance, which requires immeasurable amounts blind faith. Since they have been taught a strong "faith" is required, they get that immediate gratification that they are "believing by faith".
I well understand the library of faux academics to support the false trinity belief, it is not devoid of a detailed narrative. However, the abundance of supporting obfuscation does not validate the initial deception. The alarming part is that people are deceived into believing it even though after all the explanations there is not even ONE of the tenets of that belief articulated in the Bible.
The accurate teachings of the Christ were attacked immediately and that anti-Christ message has been perpetuated until this day in the false teachings of a trinity belief.
The accurate teachings of Christ were attacted immediately despite from those who understood that God is triune ... as what is evidenced by the Jewish religious leaders own statements.
There is such a thing as when a person is so wicked that they make every effort to not see it when presented, or not listen when told. When that resistance occurs, there is nothing that stops God in making it impossible for that person to see or hear the truth when the Bible does indeed speak of
Father is God
Son is God
Holy Spirit is God
................Yet there is only one God
All we can pray for is that God allows you to see the truth and remove the wanton stubbornness of your eyes and ears.
You left out everyone that becomes ONE with God... "YE ARE GODS" - Jesus
You left out everyone that becomes ONE with God... "YE ARE GODS" - Jesus
First off .... Jesus said that to the crowd who was attempting to stone him because Jesus claim to be God. ( not a God .. or a "personage" or like a God only superseded the Father ). Jesus claimed the same rights and authority as God.
Second ... Jesus revealed that in the small "g" not the capitol "G" which refers to the one and only true God. Jesus was quoting Psalm 82:6 in which God was mocking them:
“They know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
“I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler.”
the fact is just the opposite of what you're trying to make it.... the useage of "gods" was done in sarcasm.
Would'nt a non-Biblical doctrine be enough to identify a teaching of the anti-Christ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by twin.spin
.... when the Bible does indeed speak of
Father is God
Son is God
Holy Spirit is God
................Yet there is only one God
We see in this post the basis of the deception that prevails for most people. They lack a good understanding of the Bible and have been entrapped into believing that their trinity doctrine originates from the Bible.
What is worse than their lack of knowledge is their inability reason when under this deception. Words take on a different meaning, the explicit message becomes allegory, they invoke non-Biblical philosophies as explanation, and everything about their reasoning and logic becomes circular.
Although I disagree with trinitarians, I can at least respect those few who know the history of their belief and do not try to pass off their doctrine as Biblical. However, it is absolute rubbish to suggest the Bible teaches the trinity. There is not even ONE tenet of the trinity doctrine in the Bible.
We see in this quoted post that the basis for the deception is to suggest the Bible can support fragments of their doctrine.
Can the isolated verses in Bible be interpreted to suggest Jesus is God?
Can the isolated verses of the Bible be interpreted to suggest the holy spirit is God?
Obviously it can because so many are deceived by this tactic of interpretation.
However, are these interpretations supported by the explicit message of the verses in context and genuine academic review? No!
Do we see any indication of a teaching of three persons in one God in the Bible? No!
Is there any verse or passage that describes the trinity or even uses some form of the word trinity? No!
People can "see" fragments of their belief for the trinity through their inaccurate interpretations of the Bible but are deluded when suggesting that trinity belief originated or is taught in the Bible.
What is more "anti-christ" than an non-Biblical doctrine that misidentifies the Christ.
We see in this post the basis of the deception that prevails for most people. They lack a good understanding of the Bible and have been entrapped into believing that their trinity doctrine originates from the Bible.
What is worse than their lack of knowledge is their inability reason when under this deception. Words take on a different meaning, the explicit message becomes allegory, they invoke non-Biblical philosophies as explanation, and everything about their reasoning and logic becomes circular.
Although I disagree with trinitarians, I can at least respect those few who know the history of their belief and do not try to pass off their doctrine as Biblical. However, it is absolute rubbish to suggest the Bible teaches the trinity. There is not even ONE tenet of the trinity doctrine in the Bible.
We see in this quoted post that the basis for the deception is to suggest the Bible can support fragments of their doctrine.
Can the isolated verses in Bible be interpreted to suggest Jesus is God?
Can the isolated verses of the Bible be interpreted to suggest the holy spirit is God?
Obviously it can because so many are deceived by this tactic of interpretation.
However, are these interpretations supported by the explicit message of the verses in context and genuine academic review? No!
Do we see any indication of a teaching of three persons in one God in the Bible? No!
Is there any verse or passage that describes the trinity or even uses some form of the word trinity? No!
People can "see" fragments of their belief for the trinity through their inaccurate interpretations of the Bible but are deluded when suggesting that trinity belief originated or is taught in the Bible.
What is more "anti-christ" than an non-Biblical doctrine that misidentifies the Christ.
Which Bible are you referring to? Try reading a Bible that hasn't been published by the JWs. There you will find multiple references to Jesus being God.
Here is a sampling...
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God....the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us...
Which Bible are you referring to? Try reading a Bible that hasn't been published by the JWs. There you will find multiple references to Jesus being God.
Here is a sampling...
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God....the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us...
Who was the Word? Jesus. Jesus is God.
Jesus is God; that is teaching the "trinity" doctrine? What a preposterous assertion!
Again, we see the false interpretation of the Bible being used to support a fragment of a false doctrine.
Examine ANY explanation of the translation of John 1:1 and you will see it is the trinitarians that have to make excuses for their interpretation. Colwell's "Rule" was, and is, often used to explain their interpretation but is only a theological excuse. You will not ever find that grammatical "rule", or any like it, used in genuine academic use for the translation of Koine Greek.
Just because the trinitarian interpretations of the Bible tweak the translation to support fragments of their belief, it does validate the false assertion that the Bible teaches the trinity doctrine.
John 1:1,14 and it's context, where does it teach their is a trinity?
Again in the quoted post we see someone mislead into believing this is a teaching of the trinity.
Trinitarians always employ bad translation and misinterpretation in an attempt to identify the Son as the Father. They even ignore the parts of their "proof" verses that are in conflict with their interpretation.
John 1:14b "... glory as of the only Son from the Father..." English Standard Version
Again we see the differentiation and subordination between the Son and the Father being made explicit here, but ignored by trinitarians. They even exclude the specific reference to Jesus being "begotten" in most of their Bible "translations"
Just look at a credible interliniear and compare with the trinitarian English translations and see how many obfuscate the "only-begotten (generated) Son" portion of the original Koine Greek. They are VERY liberal in their "translation" of Greek to English, especially when it comes to the identity of Jesus. "Dynamic Equivalence" is the guise they use to insert theological interpretations into their translations rather than accurate Greek-English translation.
Yes, yes they have their theological (not Greek translation) explanation why only-begotten does not mean only-begotten, BUT, if they are so certain, why suppress the accurate translation for their Bible readers and insert their theological interpretation?
The anti-Christ deception of the trinity belief can not bear-up under scrutiny using an accurately translated Bible.
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Where is the threat of the anti-Christ?
