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Old 08-23-2011, 02:37 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Default Jesus is God but no "Trinity"

I have heard it said from some on the forum that they believe that Jesus is God, "God" being a title, but they do not believe in the trinity.

I also believe that Jesus is God, when he was begotten of God I believe that means he is the very same essence of God, but what I also believe is that same essence that came from God is also in every human born as a seed.

I believe that the seed needs to be germinated by the Holy Spirit and fed by the Holy Spirit which is also the same essence as God.

This seed is the body of Christ which was sown in corruption and which is to be gathered back to Christ.

I am interested in your thoughts on this.
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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I highly recommend looking up "Dr. Walter Martin" in his discussion with pentecostals on the John Ankelberg (sp?) show on google video or youtube. He goes to the scripture and what it says. The basic devision of doctrine is a triune God three distict gods or one God as three persons.

Another good vid to check out is Chuck Misslers exposition on the trinity. Basically God is one existing as three distinct but unified persons - an essence of the one true God we can't fully comprehend as humans.
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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I don't believe in any trinity of God. However. I believe god as spirit includes the titles "father" and " holy spirit". As for Jesus, I believe he spoke God's words which in that era was considered deified but not as we think of it nowadays.
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Old 08-23-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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I have heard it said from some on the forum that they believe that Jesus is God, "God" being a title, but they do not believe in the trinity.

I also believe that Jesus is God, when he was begotten of God I believe that means he is the very same essence of God, but what I also believe is that same essence that came from God is also in every human born as a seed.

I believe that the seed needs to be germinated by the Holy Spirit and fed by the Holy Spirit which is also the same essence as God.

This seed is the body of Christ which was sown in corruption and which is to be gathered back to Christ.

I am interested in your thoughts on this.
My belief is that, there is only one GOD and his Spirit dwelt in the sinless man who was named Jesus...born out of woman, who in turn, experienced death to become the "Christ=salvation" and freed us from the bondage of death so that man can have LIFE with the Holy Spirit within.aisi

On the cross, God's Spirit had to withdraw from man (death has no bearing with the Creator) in order that Jesus, the son of man can complete the purpose of his being, to die, so that we may live, thus this cry...
"Father, father...why have you forsaken me!" Psalm 22:1, Mark 15:34

Peace!
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Old 08-23-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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Is "I have no clue" acceptable? I sure hope so.
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Old 08-23-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven

....seems to suggest that Christ, although on earth in bodily form, was in Heaven at the same time.
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Old 08-23-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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Since the word "trinity" is a coined word, the closest word used at the time (when the Bible was penned) is "Deity" when the word appears in Colossians 2:9.

The Father by himself is not a "Deity"... but the Father is called God
The Son by himself is not a "Deity"... but the Son is called God
The Holy Spirit by himself is not a "Deity"... but the H.S. is called God
All co-equal, all co-eternal. 3 persons yet 1 God, not 3 gods.
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Old 08-23-2011, 03:58 PM
 
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John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven

....seems to suggest that Christ, although on earth in bodily form, was in Heaven at the same time.
Ken, I agree - the context of this was about what is flesh (earthly) and what is spirit (heavenly) I believe that humans are composite of earth and spirit

What is born of the flesh is flesh and what is born of the spirit is spirit

Joh 1:3 All things were made *by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

*I notice that the word translated as by is the greek word dia which usually has the meaning through


G1223
διά
dia
dee-ah'
A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal or occasional). In composition it retains the same general import: - after, always, among, at, to avoid, because of (that), briefly, by, for (cause) . . . fore, from, in, by occasion of, of, by reason of, for sake, that, thereby, therefore, X though, through (-out), to, wherefore, with (-in). In composition it retains the same general import.

I believe that just as Jesus is the pre-existent Christ/logos of God which was begotten of God, we have that same essence, but only through Christ
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Old 08-23-2011, 04:07 PM
 
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I highly recommend looking up "Dr. Walter Martin" in his discussion with pentecostals on the John Ankelberg (sp?) show on google video or youtube. He goes to the scripture and what it says. The basic devision of doctrine is a triune God three distict gods or one God as three persons.

Another good vid to check out is Chuck Misslers exposition on the trinity. Basically God is one existing as three distinct but unified persons - an essence of the one true God we can't fully comprehend as humans.
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Since the word "trinity" is a coined word, the closest word used at the time (when the Bible was penned) is "Deity" when the word appears in Colossians 2:9.

The Father by himself is not a "Deity"... but the Father is called God
The Son by himself is not a "Deity"... but the Son is called God
The Holy Spirit by himself is not a "Deity"... but the H.S. is called God
All co-equal, all co-eternal. 3 persons yet 1 God, not 3 gods.
Thanks for your replies - I am not wanting to discuss/debate the trinity, more exploring the idea of our relationship to God through Christ....
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Old 08-23-2011, 04:09 PM
 
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I don't believe in any trinity of God. However. I believe god as spirit includes the titles "father" and " holy spirit". As for Jesus, I believe he spoke God's words which in that era was considered deified but not as we think of it nowadays.
I believe that he did speak Gods words and there was a little extra happening as well on the spiritual level
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