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It's everybody that makes it through the Tribulation by believing in Jesus Christ at His Second Coming..
That's not what it says.
There is no qualification in these verses.
Instead it says
"All the kindreds of the nations shall worship before Thee." Psalm 22:27
"All the earth shall worship Thee and shall sing unto Thee. They shall sing to Thy Name. Selah" Psalm 66:4
"All nations whom Thou hast made shall come and worship before Thee." Psalm 86:9
"All nations shall come and worship before Thee." Revelation 15:4
People who don't make it through the tribulation by believing in Jesus Christ at His Second Coming will receive "kolasis aionion" which means age-during corrective chastisement.
1 Tim 2: 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
A better rendering is that God desires that all men should be saved, but that will not happen according to Revelation.
That's not what it says.
There is no qualification in these verses.
Instead it says
"All the kindreds of the nations shall worship before Thee." Psalm 22:27
"All the earth shall worship Thee and shall sing unto Thee. They shall sing to Thy Name. Selah" Psalm 66:4
"All nations whom Thou hast made shall come and worship before Thee." Psalm 86:9
"All nations shall come and worship before Thee." Revelation 15:4
People who don't make it through the tribulation by believing in Jesus Christ at His Second Coming will receive "kolasis aionion" which means age-during corrective chastisement.
You need to study Revelation and Jesus' Second Coming, because it shows that not all will believe. And if in this age the New Testament makes it clear that you must believe to be saved, then it stands to reason that at the end those that will be saved have to believe too.
You need to study Revelation and Jesus' Second Coming, because it shows that not all will believe. And if in this age the New Testament makes it clear that you must believe to be saved, then it stands to reason that at the end those that will be saved have to believe too.
Sooner or later everyone will believe.
Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
See what other Greek scholars say about it too.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS Chapter Eleven
Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
See what other Greek scholars say about it too.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS Chapter Eleven
Did you even read Matt.25:46?
And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matt.25:31-46 shows the judgement of the nations (people) that live through the Great Tribulation. This judgement is not the Great White Throne where the wicked dead whose bodies are resurrected face the final judgment of the lost.
Yes of course, but that doesn't mean that every person who ever existed will. I'm sure I don't have to post the scriptures from not only the entire Word of God but the Messiah himself.
In the New Heavens and the New Earth this is what's going to happen.
- every creature
- all flesh
- the whole world
- people from every nation
- all the isles of the heathen - same as above... every nation. Or you could say that we "were" the heathens / enemies of God.
- all the nations
- all the earth
- the whole earth
That's pretty repetive, but very easy to understand.
Are you implying that this is not true - many who profess to be a believer wont make it?
Matthew 7:21
[ True Disciples ] “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only thosewho actually dothewill of my Father in heaven will enter.
ONLY THOSE TRUE DISCIPLES OF YAHUSHUA WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. That's what God said.
Yes, when it is all finished, everyone who belongs to the kingodom of God will worship.
And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matt.25:31-46 shows the judgement of the nations (people) that live through the Great Tribulation. This judgement is not the Great White Throne where the wicked dead whose bodies are resurrected face the final judgment of the lost.
Yes, I've read it lamakin.
Here is how it reads in the fifteen literal translation on which I rely.
Literal translation – "age-during corrective chastisement"
Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:41&46
Concordant Literal, Young’s literal, Wilson’s Emphatic Diaglott, Rotherham’s Emphasized, Scarlett’s, J.W. Hanson’s New Covenant, Twentieth Century, Ferrar Fenton, The Western New Testament, Weymouth’s (unedited), Clementson’s, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, Bullinger’s Companion Bible margins, Jonathan Mitchell’s translation (2010).
It really comes down to which Greek scholars you choose to rely on.
That, IMO, is the reason why the ET/UR debate will always end up in a hopeless deadlock of a stalemate saying "my Greek scholars are more reliable than yours."
My Greek scholars are Louis Abbott and the many Greek scholars he quotes in chapters three and twelve of AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS An Analytical Study of Words
If you think it glorifies God more to let some of His creatures suffer forever, or annihilate them, then you keep believing that.
But if you think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need which is a change in their stubborn will, then know that there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that is exactly what God is like.
Yes, when it is all finished, everyone who belongs to the kingodom of God will worship.
That's not what it says.
There is no qualification in these verses.
Instead it says
"All the kindreds of the nations shall worship before Thee." Psalm 22:27
"All the earth shall worship Thee and shall sing unto Thee. They shall sing to Thy Name. Selah" Psalm 66:4
"All nations whom Thou hast made shall come and worship before Thee." Psalm 86:9
"All nations shall come and worship before Thee." Revelation 15:4
People who don't make it through the tribulation by believing in Jesus Christ at His Second Coming will receive "kolasis aionion" which means age-during corrective chastisement.
When some of His creatures refuse to get with the program it is their own fault.
Part of "the program" includes the fact that God’s purposes are not completed in this current age, but worked out in successive ages (Eph. 2:7). The message of God’s saving work is not limited to this lifetime as the “orthodox” church would have us believe.
It is not in God’s plan “to save as many as He can before this life ends” only to throw the rest of His precious creation in the dumper for all eternity.
Jesus did not pray for the world, but for those whom the Father gave Him (the disciples). (John 17) Those who are Calvinists will twist this prayer of Jesus to say that God only has intentions to save the elect, while the rest are reserved for never-ending punishment, but they make the same critical mistake that most of Christendom does in that they do not see that God’s purposes for mankind do not end with this life. GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.
Everything will be accomplished in GOD’S TIME, not ours. God’s purpose in this age is to bring a people to Himself (elect) in order to reach the non-elect in the ages to come. He is calling US in order to show forth His kindness to OTHERS in the ages to come. Once you see this truth, you will then understand why most people will never come to Christ in this age.
This does not mean God has forsaken the many and given them up to suffer never-ending punishments. The mercy, love, and compassion of our God will never fail and the Good Shepherd will keep on seeking and saving until everyone is saved.
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Sooner or later everyone will believe
Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles
There is no qualification in these verses
