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Old 09-14-2011, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Post When God is "ready to" He will save all mankind

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His word will not return unto Him void...It will accomplish what it was sent out to do...Whether that is to convict or condemn...To save or to damn....
When God is "ready to" He will save all mankind.

Godís purposes are not completed in this current age, but worked out in successive ages. (Eph. 2:7) The message of Godís saving work through Christ is glorious, and it is not limited to this lifetime as the ďorthodoxĒ church would have us believe. It is not in Godís plan ďto save as many as He can before this life endsĒ only to throw the rest of His precious creation in the dumper for all eternity.

Jesus did not pray for the world, but for those whom the Father gave Him (the disciples). (John 17) Those who are Calvinists will twist this prayer of Jesus to say that God only has intentions to save the elect, while the rest are reserved for never-ending punishment, but they make the same critical mistake that most of Christendom does in that they do not see that Godís purposes for mankind do not end with this life.
GODíS PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, Godís purpose of the eons.

Everything will be accomplished in GODíS TIME, not ours. Godís purpose in this age is to bring a people to Himself (elect) in order to reach the non-elect in the ages to come. He is calling US in order to show forth His kindness to OTHERS in the ages to come. Once you see this truth, you will then understand why most people will never come to Christ in this age.

This does not mean God has forsaken the many and given them up to suffer never-ending punishments. The mercy, love, and compassion of our God will never fail and the Good Shepherd will keep on seeking and saving until everyone is saved.

The following link is a good exposition on what the Bible teaches about this subject.
REDEMPTION IN TWO PARTS
God, All in All!
God's Plan Of The Ages; The Purpose Of God In This Age; Redemption In Two Parts; As In Adam - So In Christ; Every Man In His Own Order; All Things In Subjection; God All In All
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Old 09-14-2011, 03:23 AM
 
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I do not teach that...I teach that Hawyaw has fore-ordained those that shall be saved...And those He calls...And those He sanctifies...And those He glorifies...So, therefore there is no more condemnation for those that are in Christ...Present tense...
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If God chooses only a few to be saved, then he also necessarily chooses the many to be damned, cant you see that simple fact?
How can you say that God wants to save every person, but then say that he predestines most people to eternal torture? Don't you realize the insane contradiction? ...
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Old 09-14-2011, 03:27 AM
 
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His word will not return unto Him void...It will accomplish what it was sent out to do...Whether that is to convict or condemn...To save or to damn....
Damn? The word damn doesn't even exist in the new testament. Condemn, be judged, to have a sentence passed on you ... Why cant you get it that serving a sentence is not possible if that sentence is eternal? There is no justice if the penalty is never served and the debt finally paid. Your belief that Eternal Torture is holy and righteous justice is not only utterly insane, it is ultimately a perversion of true justice and of Gods word.
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Old 09-14-2011, 03:32 AM
 
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Lightbulb Etymology of the Word "Damn"

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His word will not return unto Him void...It will accomplish what it was sent out to do...Whether that is to convict or condemn...To save or to damn....
A snippet from
Etymology of the Word "Damn"
"Let us look into the etymology of this word "damn." We may find some interesting surprises."
Etymology of the Word Damn
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Old 09-14-2011, 04:26 AM
 
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Question Don't you realize the insane contradiction?

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θέλω LSJ, Slater be ready to, wish...This is Ancient Greek...
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How can you say that God wants to save every person, but then say that He predestines most people to eternal torture? Don't you realize the insane contradiction? ...
Or, to ask the question another way, How can you say that God is ready to save every person, but then say that he predestines most people to eternal torture? Don't you realize the insane contradiction?

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If thelo means ready to save all in the Ancient Greek...That would imply that He is waiting for the other party to do something...Like ask?...
The question put yet another way
How can you say that God wants, and is ready to save every person, but then say that he predestines most people to not asking to escape from eternal torture? Don't you realize the insane contradiction?
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:58 AM
 
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His word will not return unto Him void...It will accomplish what it was sent out to do...Whether that is to convict or condemn...To save or to damn....
Let me guess. You're one of the lucky ones His word was sent out to save. Right? Congratulations. Try not to worry too much about all those other unlucky souls. OK? It might steal your joy.
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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No ... You prove that we are wrong. Rodger is doing well enough for the two of us.
No he is not...He is showing how guilable you two are...
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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So what you are saying is that God wishes for things that are impossible for him to do?
That is not what I am saying...What I am saying is that that verse has thelo and thelo means want not will do something...
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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Multiple verses have already been quoted in this thread that show that the scriptures certainly and plainly teach that the word of God will accomplish everything he desires.

You want to skirt the issue. If God desires something his world WILL accomplish it and WILL NOT return in vain with out accomplishing EVERYTHING that he desires and for which he sent it.

Stop trying to cloud the issue ... You teach that God wants something he can never have ...
I am being plain with you...
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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If God chooses only a few to be saved, then he also necessarily chooses the many to be damned, cant you see that simple fact?
It is called double predestination or Hyper Calvinism...
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