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What makes you think man made religions idea of "holiness" is what God is?
Sin/Ignorance is dealt with by the LAW OF REAPING WHAT YOU SOW/CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR ACTIONS/KARMA...it's been around for as long as we have. Until one stops sinning/being ignorant and becomes consciously aware of who they truly are and their part in the big picture...the law will remain to pay back in kind.
What is your source for your beliefs, other than just your own opinion? You know what my source is, and I know you dismiss it.
Not completely...but I'm actually working on it and I don't teach others that it is not their responsibility to WORK AT overcoming...this WORK is required to actually SEE & EXPERIENCE THE KINGDOM OF GOD...it is not optional.
So, on what grounds would you gain eternal life (salvation) if you die before you achieve sinlessness?
You couldn't be more mistaken. One will not enter the Kingdom of God until one PUTS ON THE MIND OF CHRIST...and one cannot put on the mind of Christ until one WORKS WITHIN TO DO IT.
Easy "Believeism" will get one nowhere and that is evidenced completely by the current state of Christians and Christianity.
On that (bolded), we agree (James 2). The difference is, you believe faith/belief has nothing to do with it. Is that correct?
So, on what grounds would you gain eternal life (salvation) if you die before you achieve sinlessness?
You don't "gain" eternal life...we already HAVE eternal life...which has even been proven scientifically. We are energy and energy cannot be destroyed...it just changes form. Our consciousness is energy and when our physical form dies...our consciousness (which is who we truly are anyway) lives on.
On that (bolded), we agree (James 2). The difference is, you believe faith/belief has nothing to do with it. Is that correct?
Faith & belief is fine...we must actually believe first what Jesus teaches if we are to follow the path he laid out correct? My point was, one just can't stop at belief and call it done...there is inner work that needs to be accomplished in order to put on the mind of Christ...believing in Jesus alone will never accomplish that...we actually have to follow the path he laid out for us and taught us to follow.
You don't "gain" eternal life...we already HAVE eternal life...which has even been proven scientifically. We are energy and energy cannot be destroyed...it just changes form. Our consciousness is energy and when our physical form dies...our consciousness (which is who we truly are anyway) lives on.
OK, let me rephrase.
So, on what grounds would you gain the Kingdom of God (salvation) if you die before you achieve sinlessness?
Faith & belief is fine...we must actually believe first what Jesus teaches if we are to follow the path he laid out correct? My point was, one just can't stop at belief and call it done...there is inner work that needs to be accomplished in order to put on the mind of Christ...believing in Jesus alone will never accomplish that...we actually have to follow the path he laid out for us and taught us to follow.
Faith & belief (in Christ's redemptive work) comes first. Then, a changed life is the result (if the faith & belief was genuine). The Holy Spirit then indwells believers, guiding & directing him/her to spiritual maturity.
Matthew 19:
"And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.” The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”
What is Jesus saying here?
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