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Old 09-13-2011, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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No, the topic of the discussion is being Love, God and being gay. Not "gay sex". Why are you people obsessed with sex? Being gay is about far more than just sex.I wasn't aware that "gay sex" was defined as male rape or the ancient practices used in worshipping pagan fertility gods.
Again, when the Bible talks about, it discusses the act of gay sex, or hetero sex when talking about sexual immorality in general. It has nothing to do with being obsessed with it.
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:50 AM
 
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She admits that she is attracted to men as well as women. Therefore she is a bi-sexual, not homosexual. She chooses to live with a woman rather than a man because she thinks she has a better relationship with women.

But she isn't homosexual.
That's kind of what I felt too, but I find weirdly off-kilter opinions interesting at times.
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:31 AM
 
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Again, when the Bible talks about, it discusses the act of gay sex, or hetero sex when talking about sexual immorality in general. It has nothing to do with being obsessed with it.
There are only a handful of rather obscure verses referring to same-gender sex acts (and only in the context of male rape or ancient idolatrous sexual practices) buried in over 37,000 verses. So YES, you would have to be obsessed with same-gender sex acts when you try to dig them out and mis-use them to condemn 21st century gays and lesbians.

There is nothing in the Bible about "Being gay" or homosexuality as an orientation.

There are certainly a lot of verses referring to abusive or idolatrous opposite-gender sex acts though.

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Old 09-13-2011, 08:38 AM
 
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That's kind of what I felt too, but I find weirdly off-kilter opinions interesting at times.
It was an interesting article. Thanks.
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:45 AM
 
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There are only a handful of rather obscure verses referring to same-gender sex acts (and only in the context of male rape or ancient idolatrous sexual practices) buried in over 37,000 verses. So YES, you would have to be obsessed with same-gender sex acts when you try to dig them out and mis-use them to condemn 21st century gays and lesbians.

There is nothing in the Bible about "Being gay" or homosexuality as an orientation.

There are certainly a lot of verses about abusive or idolatrous opposite-gender sex acts though.
Well, I guess we are all obsessed with the topic of the discussion then. Either that, or you just like to tell people they are obsessed. There are more than a handful of mentions of sexual immorality in the Bible, so either the authors of the Bible were "obsessed" with the topic, or they wanted to make clear people understood the seriousness of the sin. I can see you work hard trying make gays exempt from the sin of sexual immorality, but it does not work that way.
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:25 AM
 
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Well, I guess we are all obsessed with the topic of the discussion then. Either that, or you just like to tell people they are obsessed. There are more than a handful of mentions of sexual immorality in the Bible, so either the authors of the Bible were "obsessed" with the topic, or they wanted to make clear people understood the seriousness of the sin. I can see you work hard trying make gays exempt from the sin of sexual immorality, but it does not work that way.
This is the 21st century. What's "sexually immoral" about 2 people who love each other, are monogamous, and want to commit to a life together?

What's "sexually moral" about keeping concubines for sex, or kidnapping virgin girls from neighbouring tribes to use or throw out if you are no longer pleased with them, or forcing a virgin girl who was raped to marry her rapist? What's sexually moral about marrying an 11 or 12 year old girl?

If you want to live your life by what men thousand's of years ago wrote in the context of their own culture, I suggest you go get a tent (made of only pure fibre), a couple of wives, concubines and virgin girls after you've raided a neighbouring village and killed off all the men, women and boy children, then catch a ram to slaughter and offer up to YHWH - cause he loves the aroma of burnt offerings. Don't forget to make a big pile of stones, as you'll need them to stone everyone who doesn't agree with you about what you think your version of God wants. Afganistan under the Taliban sounds pretty close. Not sure if they allow slaves though....

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Old 09-13-2011, 09:38 AM
 
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This is the 21st century. What's "sexually immoral" about 2 people who love each other, are monogamous, and want to commit to a life together?

What's "sexually moral" about keeping concubines for sex, or kidnapping virgin girls from neighbouring tribes to use or throw out if you are no longer pleased with them, or forcing a virgin girl who was raped to marry her rapist? What's sexually moral about marrying a 12 year old girl?

If you want to live your life by what men thousand's of years ago wrote in the context of their own culture, I suggest you go get a tent (made of only pure fibre), a couple of wives, concubines and virgin girls after you've raided a neighbouring village and killed off all the men, women and boy children, then catch a ram to slaughter and offer up to YHWH - cause he loves the aroma of burnt offerings. Don't forget to make a big pile of stones, as you'll need them to stone everyone who doesn't agree with you about what you think your version of God wants. Afganistan under the Taliban sounds pretty close.
The mocking spirit..... tsk, tsk. If you don't want to live your life by God's laws, then don't. You have free will to do whatever you want. The Biblical facts have been pointed out to you, and you choose to reject them.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:05 AM
 
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Again, when the Bible talks about, it discusses the act of gay sex, or hetero sex when talking about sexual immorality in general. It has nothing to do with being obsessed with it.
Why do you ignore the context in which those acts are being performed?
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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How can you live with a same-sex partner and not be homosexual?
Another example of bisexuals being completely ignored.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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The mocking spirit..... tsk, tsk. If you don't want to live your life by God's laws, then don't. You have free will to do whatever you want. The Biblical facts have been pointed out to you, and you choose to reject them.
You don't live your life by God's laws either, seeing as you ignore about 600 of them.

Why are you being a hypocrite?
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