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Old 09-08-2011, 08:25 AM
 
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Again, how could gay sex outside of marriage not be sinful, while hetero sex outside of marriage is sinful? Why would God make an exception for gays, and condemn heteros? Think about it. Would it make sense to you? You are looking for loop holes and you are trying to justify sin.

That is a good point. There are many who associate promiscuity as better if your hetro than if your not. Promiscuity is the bigger problem from any sexual orientation.

With that said, there are also a lot of people who fail to recognize a couple of key points.

Based on what you have written in this thread, if Gay marriage was allowed, that evaporates any argument about gay sex outside of marriage. Because people see what happens as the laws change, they line up in droves. Funny how homosexuality is labeled as such a bad thging, but tell them they can get married and they are all for it. Yet Christianity has painted them as inherantly deviant and promiscuous, but observation shows otherwise.

Secondly there are many homosexual couples who live monogomous lives as if they were married, loving one another and many male couple never engage in anal sex. Thier relationship is no different that a heterosexual couple doing the same thing, only on a cultural level they are freely allowed to have the government sanction their union.
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Plenty of gay and lesbian couples are married. Think about it.
It doesn't matter if they call themselves married. We are talking about the Biblical viewpoint, and the Bible defines marriage as a a union between a man and women. You are still looking for loopholes and justifications.

At least now you are admitting that sex between unmarried gay couples is a sin, and that is a step in the right direction. As with addiction, the first step is to admit there is a problem.
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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That is a good point. There are many who associate promiscuity as better if your hetro than if your not. Promiscuity is the bigger problem from any sexual orientation.

With that said, there are also a lot of people who fail to recognize a couple of key points.

Based on what you have written in this thread, if Gay marriage was allowed, that evaporates any argument about gay sex outside of marriage. Because people see what happens as the laws change, they line up in droves. Funny how homosexuality is labeled as such a bad thging, but tell them they can get married and they are all for it. Yet Christianity has painted them as inherantly deviant and promiscuous, but observation shows otherwise.
A change in man's law does not change anything. According to God a marriage is a union between man and woman, so it means nothing to God if we allow same sex unions. If we change the law to allow marriage between man and animal, then should that make ok to have sex with animals? Of course not.

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Secondly there are many homosexual couples who live monogomous lives as if they were married, loving one another and many male couple never engage in anal sex. Thier relationship is no different that a heterosexual couple doing the same thing, only on a cultural level they are freely allowed to have the government sanction their union.
More loopholes and justifications. It does not work with heteros, and it does not work with gays.
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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It doesn't matter if they call themselves married. We are talking about the Biblical viewpoint, and the Bible defines marriage as a a union between a man and women. You are still looking for loopholes and justifications.

At least now you are admitting that sex between unmarried gay couples is a sin, and that is a step in the right direction. As with addiction, the first step is to admit there is a problem.

Sure it matters, there are many homosexuals who want to justify promiscuity and then when someone finds homosexual couples who want to live lives as if they are married, here come the Christians with their bibles in hand crying foul. They do that because monogomous loving gay couple puts a wrench in all their accusations of gays, so they have to take it a little further.

We can find in homosexual couples that who a person is is not defined by thier physical appearance.

What does a hermaphrodite do, which gender are they, are they a man or a woman and who must they marry? The most common argument is a farce that a hermaphrodite is judged by whether they tend to look more like a man or a woman, how messed up is that? To apply the bible to someone based on what they look like. nonsense.

You cannot biblically define which they are at all. So the issue biblically, when scripture must apply to all people, is the heart, who someone is within their character.

Some might try to say that we are not talking about hermophrodites, but the issue is relevant because the real issue with scripture is how it aligns with all people. If scripture applies to all people, then you can't scoot aside a group of people as if they do not need the scripture applied to them in these matters. If you cannot definitavely apply verses to a hermaphrodite in order to define who they should marry than typical uses of scripture can safely be seen as error.

As scripture is applied to all people then it comes down to commitment and love. Male and Female can be within a persons roles as partners.
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:55 AM
 
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A change in man's law does not change anything. According to God a marriage is a union between man and woman, so it means nothing to God if we allow same sex unions. If we change the law to allow marriage between man and animal, then should that make ok to have sex with animals? Of course not.

This only shows you have no idea what you are talking about. An animal cannot define their willing conscious intent to agree to marriage. A gay couple can easily define that willing intent to you or one another. The comparison is not proper.
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:06 AM
 
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This only shows you have no idea what you are talking about. An animal cannot define their willing conscious intent to agree to marriage. A gay couple can easily define that willing intent to you or one another. The comparison is not proper.
It is a proper example of what I am saying. We cannot change God's law by changing our law to create loopholes so we can justify sin. Marriage is clearly defined in the Bible as a union between man and woman. You can't fool God by creating loopholes to justify your sin. God cannot not be mocked.
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Pike Road, Alabama
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But you missed my point: If family members (and others) can love us even when we do things that are wrong (or just not according to our own values), then are they more loving than God is?

IF God loves us more than we can imagine, how can anyone even THINK that God will condemn homosexuals???? Their own mothers don't condemn them because they love them, so God must be even MORE loving!


Blessings,
brian
Brian, you're confusing the majority of Christians by showing them the REAL GOD who is pure unconditional agape love vs. the HUMAN EGOIC GOD they all believe in who is angry, jealous, spiteful, wrathful, will punish and condemn, etc. Their God cannot possibly LOVE us more than we love our own children. Just saying...
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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It is a proper example of what I am saying. We cannot change God's law by changing our law to create loopholes so we can justify sin. Marriage is clearly defined in the Bible as a union between man and woman. You can't fool God by creating loopholes to justify your sin. God cannot not be mocked.

Not trying to do any of that, all you are doing is making accusations that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:35 AM
 
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Not trying to do any of that, all you are doing is making accusations that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
Accusations???

Never mind, have a nice day.
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:41 AM
 
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have a nice day.

You too.
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