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Modern barbaric ignorance of the foundation of ancient Godly Wisdom will not be removed. Those who build upon the foundation will inherit Eternal Life.
PROV 30:5 "Every Word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him.
PROV 30:6 Add not unto his words, lest he reprove you, and you be found a liar."
Should read; Modern barbaric ignorance of the foundation of ancient Godly Wisdom will not destroy that foundation.
Some might find this interesting. (Warning it's a bit sexually graphic) Basically it's a lesbian who says she did choose it and it's fantastic! So kind of doesn't fit either side. It's also a little odd as she almost seems to flat-out say gay relationships are better and conservatives Christians think people choose it because on some level they know it's fantastic.
Yes, I have heard of them, but they do not make ancient divorce any different from today.
Have you heard of single mothers having to prostitute themselves to feed their kids?
Same thing, same outcome. Sounds like you trying to argue, that today Jesus would approve of divorce?
Matthew 5:31 seems to equate remarriage after divorce with adultery, inasmuch as it makes an adulterer out of the person who re-marries after divorcing their spouse. Divorce itself (the man giving his wife a certificate of divorce) seems okay in this Scripture, but don't rely on me to parse Bible law. Visit that scripture for yourself!
Matthew 5:31 seems to equate remarriage after divorce with adultery, inasmuch as it makes an adulterer out of the person who re-marries after divorcing their spouse. Divorce itself (the man giving his wife a certificate of divorce) seems okay in this Scripture, but don't rely on me to parse Bible law. Visit that scripture for yourself!
Yes, I have visited it myself thanks, and it is clear the scripture is not okay with it.
“I hate divorce, says the LORD God of Israel.”
“So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate”
Some might find this interesting. (Warning it's a bit sexually graphic) Basically it's a lesbian who says she did choose it and it's fantastic! So kind of doesn't fit either side. It's also a little odd as she almost seems to flat-out say gay relationships are better and conservatives Christians think people choose it because on some level they know it's fantastic.
She admits that she is attracted to men as well as women. Therefore she is a bi-sexual, not homosexual. She chooses to live with a woman rather than a man because she thinks she has a better relationship with women.
She admits that she is attracted to men as well as women. Therefore she is a bi-sexual, not homosexual. She chooses to live with a woman rather than a man because she thinks she has a better relationship with women.
But she isn't homosexual.
How can you live with a same-sex partner and not be homosexual?
She admits that she is attracted to men as well as women. Therefore she is a bi-sexual, not homosexual. She chooses to live with a woman rather than a man because she thinks she has a better relationship with women.
But she isn't homosexual.
The Bible doesn't talk about how to define the word 'gay' vs 'bi-sexual', it talks about the act of gay sex. Anyone who practices gay sex, be he/she full gay, or bi, is the topic of the discussion.
We really don't know for certain that it's "how you're born." Yes we know that gays have differences in brain scan or with remembering faces or what have you, but cerebral or perceptual differences can happen post-birth or at least post-conception. The idea that the only options are "they are born that way" or "it's a choice" is a false dichotomy. People can be paralyzed without it being a choice or a matter of birth. Personality disorders can be utterly untreatable, and present early on, but this isn't proof you are born with them or chose them.
Actually scientists have had a pretty good idea that "it's how you are born" since about the 1980's. With studies in the last couple of years there is even more evidence.
The "cerebral or perceptual differences" you are referring to don't have anything to do with some of the latest brain studies.
Many people talk about the fairly recent discoveries of the "plasticity" of the brain - referring to neural plasticity and synaptic pruning. This CAN be changed when we learn new things. But NOT symmetry of the brain hemispheres or the corpus collosum or the amygdala.
Some of these "differences" are in brain structures and functioning that can't be changed by "learning". They are pretty much fixed before birth. That is why the recent brain scan studies are so significant. The majority of scientists and health professionals already know that sexual orientation (whether heterosexual, bi-sexual or homosexual) is not a choice or a learned behaviour. These studies just lend more weight to homosexuality being innate.
"Previous studies have also shown differences in brain architecture and activity between gay and straight people, but most relied on people's responses to sexuality driven cues that could have been learned, such as rating the attractiveness of male or female faces.
To get round this, Savic and her colleague, Per Lindström, chose to measure brain parameters likely to have been fixed at birth.
"That was the whole point of the study, to show parameters that differ, but which couldn't be altered by learning or cognitive processes," says Savic
"The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb."
Interestingly, much the same as sexual orientation, left handedness is believed to be caused by a combination of genetics and pre-natal hormones.
However people easily accept that some people are born left-handed. (about 10%)
I guess that's because left-handedness is no-longer seen as evil or a sign of the devil, and isn't a political and religious wedge issue.
How can you live with a same-sex partner and not be homosexual?
You can be bi-sexual.
How can you be attracted to both men and women and be homosexual?
Are you unaware of the differences between heterosexual, bisexual and homosexual orientations?
"Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person's sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors, and membership in a community of others who share those attractions.
Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex.
However, sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of the other sex), gay/lesbian (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of one's own sex), and bisexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to both men and women)."
The Bible doesn't talk about how to define the word 'gay' vs 'bi-sexual', it talks about the act of gay sex. Anyone who practices gay sex, be he/she full gay, or bi, is the topic of the discussion.
No, the topic of the discussion is "Love, God and being gay". Not "gay sex".
Why are some of you people so obsessed with sex? Being gay is about far more than just "sex acts".
I wasn't aware that "gay sex" was defined as abusive male rape or the ancient idolatrous practices used in worshipping pagan fertility gods.
Are you unaware that heterosexual men used male rape against strangers or in war to humiliate and dominate other men?
Are you unaware that heterosexual people got involved in same-sex sex acts? Eg ritual sex orgies to worship fertilility gods.
The men who wrote the biblical texts also wrote about abusive or idolatrous opposite-sex acts as well as same-sex sex acts. Does that mean that all heterosexuals are condemned? No.
The patriarchal men who wrote the Bible were also ignorant of a lot of things we take for granted today. They believed for example that it was men's semen that held life and that women were just empty vessels carrying that life. That's why masturbation or "spilling seed" was considered sinful.
Wouldn't they be horrified to know that all fetuses start out as female before they are masculinized by male hormones in the uterus. LOL.
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You can be bi-sexual.
