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Old 09-17-2011, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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The bible talks plenty about it ... The dead are resurrected, and the unbelievers and the wicked will be cast into the lake of fire, where they will be saved as though by fire, as the fire of Gods judgment is for the purpose of cleansing and purification. You are just willingly ignorant of the facts ...
Yes, people will be resurrected for judgment, but it does not talk about salvation after death. It is a universalist invention. The Bible talks about necessity of faith 200 times, but you'd rather believe a fabricated belief of forced salvation after death. The 'saved as though fire' is not about the salvation of the wicked, but the testing works of a believer.
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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So you being the literalist believe that fire is for eternal torment and not for refining. Your bible is full of references to such a process of refining. Eternal torment was invented by men who knew not God and believed in by those (and I was once one) who are bible literalists.
heh-heh. You can't stop talking about hell, can you? How do you explain such obsession with hell and eternal torment?

Well, I have made my point here, and it was to say that unbelievers never become universalists, because ur is not the truth, and only the truth can set you free.
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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Yes, people will be resurrected for judgment, but it does not talk about salvation after death. It is a universalist invention. The Bible talks about necessity of faith 200 times, but you'd rather believe a fabricated belief of forced salvation after death. The 'saved as though fire' is not about the salvation of the wicked, but the testing works of a believer.
Like i said, you are just willingly ignorant of the facts ...
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:35 PM
 
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God talks in the Bible how believers of Him are refined with fire, meaning he is molding us into His image. The refining stops at the first death.

The Lake of Fire is not for refining, it is to destroy.
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: RI
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heh-heh. You can't stop talking about hell, can you? How do you explain such obsession with hell and eternal torment?

Well, I have made my point here, and it was to say that unbelievers never become universalists, because ur is not the truth, and only the truth can set you free.
FJ you are a piece of work. If you want to be literal about what a unbeliever becomes after believing it's certainly not a Christian or any other label you obviously think we should own. God desires all to believe,it doesn't state he wants them to believe in ET,UR or any thing else, but who the Truth IS,which Jesus Christ said he was.

Let me tell yo this FJ,There is far more yet to be discovered than UR,and one thing I know for certain,all who are rejecting UR will also reject further light that is discovered in Him.
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Lightbulb How Jesus Handles Being Given Everybody And Everything

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Jesus did not speak about such proces, so you invented it.
Scroll down and click on
How Jesus Handles Being Given Everybody And Everything
Understanding Universal Salvation Part One
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Like i said, you are just willingly ignorant of the facts ...
Or maybe you are
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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FJ you are a piece of work. If you want to be literal about what a unbeliever becomes after believing it's certainly not a Christian or any other label you obviously think we should own. God desires all to believe,it doesn't state he wants them to believe in ET,UR or any thing else, but who the Truth IS,which Jesus Christ said he was.

Let me tell yo this FJ,There is far more yet to be discovered than UR,and one thing I know for certain,all who are rejecting UR will also reject further light that is discovered in Him.
I do not reject the truth, I only reject universal salvation.
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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God talks in the Bible how believers of Him are refined with fire, meaning he is molding us into His image. The refining stops at the first death.

The Lake of Fire is not for refining, it is to destroy.
The only thin being destroyed in the lake of fire are unrighteous works and the carnal nature ... And your false religion.
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Old 09-17-2011, 01:00 PM
 
Location: RI
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I do not reject the truth, I only reject universal salvation.
I figured that,because from previous conversations I have had with you,you mostly definitely have never been in error in what you have believed since you made a decision for Jesus. For the record I have been, and have no doubt in some areas I still am,but I trust him to keep me open hearted enough that I recognize the Light he's restoring back to His church.

I can't believe I have put down a great book to be going back and forth with you Finn,I hope someone lurking may have got something from it.

Ps

The book is "A young man's Jesus",by Bruce Barton, it,s only a dollar on kindle,if you're interested Finn.
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