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Too bad there are so many non-Christians in a Christian forum trying to attack it. We shouldn't be surprised, as Satan has been persecuting God's people from the beginning, trying to destory their faith, that is their relationship with God.
As to your question, Yes it would be possible for a person to have saving faith in Jesus, and have doubts about parts of the New Testament. But what happens over time is that all Christians have their faith tested. God's Word is given to the world so that people might be converted to Christianity, and also for Christians to read and study and grow in their faith and love toward God.But if they have doubts about the inspiration of Scripture, they are not likely to put an creedance in the rest of the Bible. This leaves them vulnerable to persecution from the world, Satanic attacks on their faith, etc. Christians cannot maintain their own faith. God has to do it, so if they disregard the word of God, and reject Jesus teaching, it is unlikely they will endure in faith. There are all kinds of texts indicating that if people reject God's Word, they in fact reject Jesus himself. [SIZE=3]Mk 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful And generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”[/SIZE]
What if a person believes in God and believes that Jesus was the son of God and is now in Heaven with this father.
The person also believes the Bible was written by humans who were seriously misguided. Sure, some of the stories about Jesus are mostly correct, but the rest is a bunch of garbage.
Is that person a Christian?
As long as that person believes in Jesus Christ, they are a Christian. You don't have to believe the Bible is inerrant to be a Christian. Some will say otherwise, but they don't know what the heck they're talking about.
The Indian Shaker Church, as I recall, traditionally believes in Jesus but not the Bible. The "1910" element/tendency/traditionalist still seems to reject reading the Bible, but I don't know how many of them remain.
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Although the Indian Shaker Church is a specifically American-Indian instituted faith that seems to be mostly limited to them. The "non-Bible readers" I read emphasize communication with God over the Bible. I think some argue they're a mix of Indigenous and Christian religion rather than a Christian denomination as such.
As long as that person believes in Jesus Christ, they are a Christian. You don't have to believe the Bible is inerrant to be a Christian. Some will say otherwise, but they don't know what the heck they're talking about.
Anyone can call him/herself "Christian", but the question should be whether the person believes in Jesus aka is saved,. The question here is whether the person who rejects the Bible simply believes that "Jesus was the son of God and is now in Heaven with this father".
I have been unsuccessfully trying to get clarification to the question, because I wanted to know what the OP means by "good Christian". Does is mean "Good Christian" as in having saving faith, or "good Christian" as in someone who might believe there is a god, but lacks the saving faith. If you lack the saving faith, then titles such as "good Christian" mean nothing, and opinion about Bible being a bunch of garbage means nothing. After all that view is pretty much the standard among non-believers.
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What does it mean to believe and follow the Bible 100%? Anyone with any knowledge of ancient history, who appreciates that culture, society and the times greatly influences any piece of literature, will realise it's not such a simple black and white issue.
Most modern Christians enjoy a good lobster now and than because they realise the old Mosaic laws given to the Jewish people are no longer binding. So they basically ignore most of the laws in Leviticus.
What if you don't trust that the prophets faithfully recorded what the Lord spoke word for word? Revelation is full of symbolism and mythological allegories and motifs. Fundamentalists Christians take it literally, but only up to a point, because after that it starts sounding like some cross being a fantasy novel and a supernatural melodrama.
The Bible is the start, but a relationship with God goes beyond the Bible. Christianity is still a heart religion more than a head religion. As long as you love the Lord, accept Christ, treat your fellow man with love, and believe the fundamental tenets, I do not believe the Lord will hold your grain of doubt against you. But that is for the Judge to decide.
Anyone can call him/herself "Christian", but the question should be whether the person believes in Jesus aka is saved,. The question here is whether the person who rejects the Bible simply believes that "Jesus was the son of God and is now in Heaven with this father".
I have been unsuccessfully trying to get clarification to the question, because I wanted to know what the OP means by "good Christian". Does is mean "Good Christian" as in having saving faith, or "good Christian" as in someone who might believe there is a god, but lacks the saving faith. If you lack the saving faith, then titles such as "good Christian" mean nothing, and opinion about Bible being a bunch of garbage means nothing. After all that view is pretty much the standard among non-believers.
Not everyone believes you have to say a "sinner's prayer" to be saved, Finn. If you have faith and believe in Jesus Christ as Savior then you're saved. Stop with the twisting of what Hiker45 said, you know what he means. He's a Christian and that really ticks you off because he doesn't believe that the Bible is the end all of books, it's nonsense to him except for the story of Jesus. I'm talking about Hiker's fictitious person, not him personally.
At this point, I'm not a "Christian" because I doubt all of it. So you can rail on me if you want to.
Not everyone believes you have to say a "sinner's prayer" to be saved, Finn. If you have faith and believe in Jesus Christ as Savior then you're saved. Stop with the twisting of what Hiker45 said, you know what he means. He's a Christian and that really ticks you off because he doesn't believe that the Bible is the end all of books, it's nonsense to him except for the story of Jesus. I'm talking about Hiker's fictitious person, not him personally.
At this point, I'm not a "Christian" because I doubt all of it. So you can rail on me if you want to.
Did I say something to upset you? I did not twist anything, I asked a simple question. I also did not say anything about requirements of sinners prayer. Thirdly I have not asked about, or suggested anything about Hiker's status as saved/unsaved. Nothing. And of course I did not say anything about you either, so let's not make this thread about you.
Please drop the unnecessary aggressiveness.
It is a simple question: what does the OP mean by "good Christian". Does is refer to people who are saved, or those who simply believe that God exists, but do not consider Him as their personal Lord and Saviour? Satan and demons believe He exists, but they are not saved.
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Did I say something to upset you? I did not twist anything, I asked a simple question. I also did not say anything about requirements of sinners prayer. Thirdly I have not asked about, or suggested anything about Hiker's status as saved/unsaved. Nothing. And of course I did not say anything about you either, so let's not make this thread about you.
Please drop the unnecessary aggressiveness.
It is a simple question: what does the OP mean by "good Christian". Does is refer to people who are saved, or those who simply believe that God exists, but do not consider Him as their personal Lord and Saviour. Satan and demons believe He exists, but they are not saved.
Salvation ultimately boils down to acknowledging what Christ did for you, and having that bridge between him and God.
Salvation ultimately boils down to acknowledging what Christ did for you, and having that bridge between him and God.
Having the 'bridge' is what people mean that they say they have a personal relationship with Him. There are people who have this relationship, and then there are those who agree God exists, but they do not have this relationship with Him. Is the OP talking about saved people, or unsaved people? That is what I am trying to find out.
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Having the 'bridge' is what people mean that they say they have a personal relationship with Him. There are people who have this relationship, and then there are those who agree God exists, but they do not have this relationship with Him. Is the OP talking about saved people, or unsaved people? That is what I am trying to find out.
I'm assuming people who are saved or at least they believe they are saved.
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