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Old 11-03-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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To the contrary, good and evil are contradictions.
A contradiction is a denial, a discrepancy, an inconsistancy.

The Bible truthfully reveals the existence of both good and evil.

The Bible does not contradict itself.

 
Old 11-03-2011, 09:21 PM
 
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There are no contradictions in the Bible. Simply apparent contradictions steming from a lack of understanding about what is being said. There are no mistakes in the original autographs.
Though we no longer have the original autographs, God has preserved His word despite the errors and variations in the manuscript copies. And there is nothing arbitrary about God's word.
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To the contrary, good and evil are contradictions.
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A contradiction is a denial, a discrepancy, an inconsistency.
The Bible truthfully reveals the existence of both good and evil.
The Bible does not contradict itself.
Correct, you are consistently in denial that evil exists within the Bible, whereas, I am not. There are discrepancies and differences between both the Old and New Testaments.
But you apparently refuse to distinguish between that which is good from that which is not based on duality, interchanging good for evil; and evil for good, a walking contradiction.

"Though we cannot totally change our nature, we may in vast measure correct it by reflection and philosophy."

(Even if it come from the nickle and dime store).

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Old 11-03-2011, 09:37 PM
 
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"Though we cannot totally change our nature, we may in vast measure correct it by reflection and philosophy."
(Even if it come from the nickle and dime store).]
This is my favorite quote from you so far Jerwade, and the rest of your quotes take some beating too.
 
Old 11-03-2011, 09:48 PM
 
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Correct, you are consistently in denial that evil exists within the Bible, whereas, I am not. There are discrepancies and differences between both the Old and New Testaments.
But you apparently refuse to distinguish between that which is good from that which is not based on duality, interchanging good for evil; and evil for good, a walking contradiction.

"Though we cannot totally change our nature, we may in vast measure correct it by reflection and philosophy."

(Even if it come from the nickle and dime store).
You are right. There are some contradictions between the Old Testament and the New Testament, but I would wonder with you saying that if you have really read through the Bible or is this just something you are being told. The reason I ask is because in the New Testament, when Jesus came, he brought a new convenant. Those who were under the new convenant did not have to follow the things that were written under the old law. There are many differences between the two. Again, the only way you can see what is meant by these things is by seeing the context of what is being spoken. Learning the Bible is a constant thing.
 
Old 11-03-2011, 10:08 PM
 
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You are right. There are some contradictions between the Old Testament and the New Testament, but I would wonder with you saying that if you have really read through the Bible or is this just something you are being told. The reason I ask is because in the New Testament, when Jesus came, he brought a new covenant. Those who were under the new covenant did not have to follow the things that were written under the old law. There are many differences between the two. Again, the only way you can see what is meant by these things is by seeing the context of what is being spoken. Learning the Bible is a constant thing.
I have memorized 98% of the Bible, and have read through the various translations (over twenty in my personal possession) numerous times!
I am not into a consensus or the majorities opinions, especially from doctrines.com., but have studied (for myself) for over thirty-eight years.
 
Old 11-03-2011, 10:20 PM
 
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Correct, you are consistently in denial that evil exists within the Bible, whereas, I am not. There are discrepancies and differences between both the Old and New Testaments.
But you apparently refuse to distinguish between that which is good from that which is not based on duality, interchanging good for evil; and evil for good, a walking contradiction.

"Though we cannot totally change our nature, we may in vast measure correct it by reflection and philosophy."

(Even if it come from the nickle and dime store).
There are no discrepancies between the Old Testament and the New Testament. What there is is a change of dispensations. The God of the Old Testament is the God of the New Testament.

God is not the author of either sin or evil. Evil is the policy and modus operandi of Satan as the ruler of this world.

Only by learning the word of God - Bible doctrine, under the filling of the Holy Spirit, converting it from gnosis to epignosis can the believer be transformed by the renewing of his mind and no longer be conformed to this world (Romans 12:1). Philosophy is mans attempt to understand the reality of things apart from God. Philosophy is used by Satan to promote his cosmic doctrines. Philosophy is one of Satan's tools by which he deceives the world.

The Doctrine of Evil ---> Doctrine of Evil

More on the doctrine of Evil ---> Evil
 
Old 11-03-2011, 10:45 PM
 
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There are no discrepancies between the Old Testament and the New Testament. What there is is a change of dispensations. The God of the Old Testament is the God of the New Testament.

God is not the author of either sin or evil. Evil is the policy and modus operandi of Satan as the ruler of this world.

Only by learning the word of God - Bible doctrine, under the filling of the Holy Spirit, converting it from gnosis to epignosis can the believer be transformed by the renewing of his mind and no longer be conformed to this world (Romans 12:1). Philosophy is mans attempt to understand the reality of things apart from God. Philosophy is used by Satan to promote his cosmic doctrines. Philosophy is one of Satan's tools by which he deceives the world.

The Doctrine of Evil ---> Doctrine of Evil

More on the doctrine of Evil ---> Evil
The Doctrine of Evil is Religious Fanaticism.

(Not the thoughts of Billy, Joe, Jim, Bob at the corner store)
 
Old 11-04-2011, 12:06 AM
 
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The Doctrine of Evil is Religious Fanaticism.

(Not the thoughts of Billy, Joe, Jim, Bob at the corner store)
No, the doctrine of evil describes and defines what evil is. The word of God has nothing to do with religion. Religion is the invention of Satan for the purpose of opposing God's plan and obscuring divine revelation.

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Evil refers to the ungodly presuppositions, mind-set, attitudes, plans, sayings, actions, and goals of life that stand apart from God’s will, direction, and influence because of a rejection of and a lack of God’s Word. Evil includes liberal theology, the social gospel, salvation by works, preoccupation with self, one-world government apart from the physical rule of Christ, ecumenism and one-world religion, moral relativity, rejection of absolute truth and the ability to know absolute truth, emotional control of the soul, rejection of authority, self-esteem based upon human good, the redistribution of wealth, the theory of evolution, post-modernism, naturalism-materialism, do-it-yourself spirituality, and many others ideas, projects, programs, and activities that Satan and fallen man believe and promote. Rebellion against proper authority is evil; laziness is evil; self-centeredness is evil; religion, defined as human works to gain something from God, is evil; emotionalism is evil; crime is evil; some wars are evil; and human good activity that ignores or seeks to replace God’s will is evil.
Doctrine of Evil
 
Old 11-04-2011, 02:05 AM
 
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No, the doctrine of evil describes and defines what evil is. The word of God has nothing to do with religion. Religion is the invention of Satan for the purpose of opposing God's plan and obscuring divine revelation.

Excerpt:
Evil refers to the ungodly presuppositions, mind-set, attitudes, plans, sayings, actions, and goals of life that stand apart from God’s will, direction, and influence because of a rejection of and a lack of God’s Word. Evil includes liberal theology, the social gospel, salvation by works, preoccupation with self, one-world government apart from the physical rule of Christ, ecumenism and one-world religion, moral relativity, rejection of absolute truth and the ability to know absolute truth, emotional control of the soul, rejection of authority, self-esteem based upon human good, the redistribution of wealth, the theory of evolution, post-modernism, naturalism-materialism, do-it-yourself spirituality, and many others ideas, projects, programs, and activities that Satan and fallen man believe and promote. Rebellion against proper authority is evil; laziness is evil; self-centeredness is evil; religion, defined as human works to gain something from God, is evil; emotionalism is evil; crime is evil; some wars are evil; and human good activity that ignores or seeks to replace God’s will is evil.
Doctrine of Evil
Satan is the invention of Religion!

"Many are fastened to the pages of a book with an earful of imagination, inflated by their own spirit of adversity."

Our world today is torn asunder by men (and women) who claim that Christ (God) is on their side, and who, secure in their own self-righteousness, perpetrate acts of violent destruction. Such individuals, as yourself, are driven by the certainty that they are the only ones privy to sacred truths. Therefore, they are morally obligated to do everything in their own power (no matter how many people have to suffer and die) to act upon these
so called truths of other men. Coupled with their own inflated sense of personal rectitude, moral certainty, and ideological purity; they have this tendency to dehumanize and even demonize those who think differently.

How exactly does it happen that normal human beings, all endowed with that of a conscience, having an awareness of individual responsibility for their judgments and choices, manage to justify (in their own eyes) the most inhuman atrocities and acts of self-righteousness without running into intolerable cognitive dissonance within that of their own supreme values? I know you have a heart for Christ, but what goes on in your mind is unhealthy.

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Old 11-04-2011, 04:21 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Satan is the invention of Religion!

"Many are fastened to the pages of a book with an earful of imagination, inflated by their own spirit of adversity."

Our world today is torn asunder by men (and women) who claim that Christ (God) is on their side, and who, secure in their own self-righteousness, perpetrate acts of violent destruction. Such individuals, as yourself, are driven by the certainty that they are the only ones privy to sacred truths. Therefore, they are morally obligated to do everything in their own power (no matter how many people have to suffer and die) to act upon these
so called truths of other men. Coupled with their own inflated sense of personal rectitude, moral certainty, and ideological purity; they have this tendency to dehumanize and even demonize those who think differently.

How exactly does it happen that normal human beings, all endowed with that of a conscience, having an awareness of individual responsibility for their judgments and choices, manage to justify (in their own eyes) the most inhuman atrocities and acts of self-righteousness without running into intolerable cognitive dissonance within that of their own supreme values? I know you have a heart for Christ, but what goes on in your mind is unhealthy.

No, Satan is not the invention of religion. Satan is the inventor of religion.

You confuse Christianity which is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ, with religion. The world is as it is because Satan is the ruler of this world, and because man has a sin nature.

That book is no mere book. It is the word of God - the word of truth, and is the absolute standard of truth. The truth revealed in the Bible is available to all who first come to God through Jesus Christ, who Himself is God, in response to the gospel message, and will avail themselves of it. 2 Tim 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth

The gospel is not to be forced on anyone. It is to be offered to those who will listen. Those who do not desire the truth of the gospel message, but instead reject it, will be judged by Jesus Christ Himself and sent into the lake of fire forever. But anyone who receives Christ as Savior will have eternal life.
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