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Old 11-03-2011, 02:21 AM
 
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Not everyone that believes in Jesus will be saved, for the demons believe too, and shudder.

To those that "persevere" to the end, He promises eternal life. Persevering in denying our flesh and following righteousness, which is HIS right way, not ours. Those of us that, when we fall, we pick ourselves back up, never losing hope, no matter how fallible and faulty we are, those of us that persevere in humility, integrity, in obedience to conscience, and don't make excuses for our wrongs, but admit, own it, and humbly ask to be helped to not have compulsions anymore---persevering to the end, to accept whatever chastisments that He hands us, in life...yeah.
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Old 11-03-2011, 05:36 AM
 
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In Galatians 3 and 4 God tells us to whom He promised the inheritance of eternal life. It specifically tells us that those who are born of God's Spirit, through faith in Jesus Christ, will receive the promise given to ABRAHAM AND HIS SEED

But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Yes, it is given to those who believe. This truth is repeated 200 times in the Bible, so anyone who denies it is simply denying the truth.
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Old 11-03-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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Yes, whoever believes will be saved; whoever confesses will be saved.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

So consider:

Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Phil 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Old 11-03-2011, 08:59 AM
 
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In Galatians 3 and 4 God tells us to whom He promised the inheritance of eternal life. It specifically tells us that those who are born of God's Spirit, through faith in Jesus Christ, will receive the promise given to ABRAHAM AND HIS SEED...note that it's not all seed (all people), but only HIS SEED. ONLY through faith in Jesus Christ is one considered a seed of Abraham, a Son of God and an heir.
saved33,

To properly understand your question and point here, we must also understand two things:

1. Abraham's seed will bless the world - all nations - all families - so in effect all people become blessed through Abraham's seed (Gen 22:18, Gen 28:14, Gal 3:8). There are two blessings: Abraham's blessing was that his seed would bless the entire world. What is Abraham's seed? Those who are in Christ.

2. What we call "eternal life" is simply knowing God - see John 17:3.

Yes it is those who believe who have "eternal life" right now - they know God. Quite obviously if you don't believe you cannot know God, but this does not preclude one from knowing God later. For all will come to Him and bow and God ultimately will be all in all.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:35 AM
 
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saved33,

To properly understand your question and point here, we must also understand two things:

1. Abraham's seed will bless the world - all nations - all families - so in effect all people become blessed through Abraham's seed (Gen 22:18, Gen 28:14, Gal 3:8). There are two blessings: Abraham's blessing was that his seed would bless the entire world. What is Abraham's seed? Those who are in Christ.

2. What we call "eternal life" is simply knowing God - see John 17:3.

Yes it is those who believe who have "eternal life" right now - they know God. Quite obviously if you don't believe you cannot know God, but this does not preclude one from knowing God later. For all will come to Him and bow and God ultimately will be all in all.
God does not say that on the Last Day when all will come to know Him means they accept Him through faith. It simply says they will know Him. We need to know God and accept Him through faith in Jesus now while we are alive. hose who believe now sight unseen will be saved. Of course everyone will believe on sight of Him.

John 20
29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
30Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31But these are written that you maya believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.


We will all see Him face to face on the Last day, but only those who believed through faith in Jesus, who were adopted into His family before their death, will spend eternity with Him in heaven.

16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not sayand to seeds,” meaning many people, butand to your seed,”[i] meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. 26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith. 29 IF you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. 7. So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.

Titus 33At one time we too [as unbelievers] were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8This is a trustworthy saying.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:42 AM
 
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God does not say that on the Last Day when all will come to know Him means they accept Him through faith. It simply says they will know Him.
Actually one of the passages you quoted refutes your own words, especially the part you bolded, thinking it is saying what you are talking about. It isn't.


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Titus 33At one time we too [as unbelievers] were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8This is a trustworthy saying.

That passage is all about the mercy and grace of salvation that they became aware of. Their belief came about because of Gods love, mercy and grace, not through their acceptance.

They were freed from slavery because God loved them, they were not freed through their acceptance. They accepted what they came to believe through Gods love.
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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What we call "eternal life" is simply knowing God - see John 17:3.
Wrong.

"Eternal life" is a life without end, timeless, without duration. A life in Heaven with God.
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Old 11-03-2011, 03:08 PM
 
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We are clearly told that we must "endure to the end" to be saved, not just believe, like the demons, too nor not "just" call on the name of the Lord. - Matthew 10:22

What about "many are called but few are chosen.
Jesus was asked if there were just a few that were being saved, and He answered,

"24"Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25"Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26"Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers,'" (Luke 13:22-27).

At the Judgement Seat of Christ, we are judged according to our works, words from our mouths, included--accepting or asking Jesus for salvation, alone does not save us independently from our works. Perhaps it is that no way, without calling humbly and asking for salvation, we never get any good works, but both clearly matter, of course. Why else would we have been created with a conscience? Obeying it does matter, eternally.

More than faith and professing Jesus as the Lord and God that He is, is necessary. How else could this scripture be true?
Rev. 3:15 – Jesus said“I know your works, you are neither cold nor hot. Because you are lukewarm, I will spew you out of my mouth.”
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Old 11-03-2011, 03:13 PM
 
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Sunnysee, the Circumcision believers are told THEY must endure to the end to be saved. The believers of the nations are never told that since our salvation is purely by grace, not grace mixed with works.
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Old 11-03-2011, 03:16 PM
 
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Sir, I just posted scripture that proves your statement to me, incorrect.
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