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Old 11-04-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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There is another way of looking at it too.

The blasphemy of God's Spirit is an attutude out of which corresponding actions persue --- an attitude of attributing to Satan what is really of God.

That sort of attitude can never be forgiven so long as it is maintained.
But when the attutude changes, then, having had the attitude can and will be forgiven.
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:16 PM
 
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When applied to its revealed period of time, yes, never means never -- i.e. never in this age, or even the next age.

A snippet from
GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."
GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

So never means eventually?
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:21 PM
 
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There is another way of looking at it too.

The blasphemy of God's Spirit is an attutude out of which corresponding actions persue --- an attitude of attributing to Satan what is really of God.

That sort of attitude can never be forgiven so long as it is maintained.
But when the attutude changes, then, having had the attitude can and will be forgiven.
OK, but there's nothing in Scripture that indicates that can happen after this life is over. Actually, Scripture says the opposite.
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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Post The idea that there can be no salvation after this life is over is an unscriptural myth.

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OK, but there's nothing in Scripture that indicates that can happen after this life is over. Actually, Scripture says the opposite.
After death the judgment, yes.
But after the judgment kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastizement).

The idea that there can be no salvation after this life is over is an unscriptural myth.
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:29 PM
 
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Default So never means never during the time specified by the scriptures.

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So never means eventually?
So never means never during the time specified by the scriptures.
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:34 PM
 
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So never means never during the time specified by the scriptures.
You mean like this Pilgrim Tutt ?.

for I say to you, ye may not see me henceforth, till ye may say, Blessed is he who is coming in the name of the Lord.'
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:38 PM
 
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Post I believe the following proves that salvation is not limited to this life time

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OK, but there's nothing in Scripture that indicates that can happen after this life is over. Actually, Scripture says the opposite.
I believe the following proves that salvation is not limited to this life time.

God will have (wants if you like) all men to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4)
It is God’s “pleasure” that all mankind be saved.
And “God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will” (Ephesians 1:11).

Change it to read “in accord with the counsel of what He wants if you like. Because God says
"My counsel shall stand.
I will do all my pleasure
(the saving of all mankind is part of the pleasure that God wants)
Yea I have spoken it.
I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it.
I will also do it."
Isaiah 46:10,11

Job 23:13 “But he stands alone, and who can oppose Him?
He does whatever he pleases.
(the saving of all mankind is part of what He wants that pleases Him).

Isaiah 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
(the saving of all mankind is part of all of which God desires or wants)

So we see God does all His pleasure, He does whatever He pleases, and His word accomplishes that which He desires.

His pleasure, that which He desires and pleases Him is what He wants.
His will = What He wants
What does He want?
THE SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND
Why will it happen?
Because God Himself will see to it that it gets done.

Any cooperation towards our salvation is the result, not the cause of God laying hold on us by His saving grace and causing Jesus to be "choice" in our heart, just like it was in the case of Lydia, (whose heart the Lord opened, Acts 16:14), and Saul of Tarsus.

The opinions of exactly how God will achieve universal salvation may differ from UR to UR just like, as Bright Hope pointed out, the opinions of ETers also vary from person to person about what the Bible teaches about salvation.

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Old 11-04-2011, 04:46 PM
 
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Default there is an age beyond the millenial age in which they will be forgiven

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You mean like this Pilgrim Tutt ?.

for I say to you, ye may not see me henceforth, till ye may say, Blessed is he who is coming in the name of the Lord.'
Blasphemers of the Spirit of God will never receive forgiveness in this age, or even in the age to come Matthew 12:32 (the millenial age).

Only this present age, and the age to come is what never receiving forgiveness is limited to.

But there is an age beyond the millenial age in which they will be forgiven, the age of consummation, or Jubilee.

A snippet from THE MILLENNIAL AGE
We have seen that the Millennial age with all its glory is filled with judgment and with an iron rule (Ps. 2); and that notwithstanding its unspeakable blessings and Israel's preeminence, it is far from a perfect state. It can not be the final age. The final age must come with the New Heavens and the New Earth "wherein dwelleth righteousness."
THE MILLENNIAL AGE
Is Hell Eternal? Or Will God's Plan Fail? Ch. 7 The Millennial Age
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:49 PM
 
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Default The blasphemy of God's Spirit is an attutude

But like I said, there is another way of looking at it too.

The blasphemy of God's Spirit is an attutude out of which corresponding actions persue --- an attitude of attributing to Satan what is really of God.

That sort of attitude can never be forgiven so long as it is maintained.
But when the attutude changes, then, having had the attitude can and will be forgiven.
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Old 11-04-2011, 06:48 PM
 
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So never means never during the time specified by the scriptures.
Like I said, never means eventually.
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