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Old 02-29-2008, 11:39 PM
 
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Freedom,

This is my first post on this forum. I liked your comments about those persons who have been translated. I want to study this subject more. Can you suggest good research material on this subject?

Thank you
Shalom and Blessings
Bride
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Old 03-01-2008, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Freedom,

This is my first post on this forum. I liked your comments about those persons who have been translated. I want to study this subject more. Can you suggest good research material on this subject?

Thank you
Shalom and Blessings
Bride
Check your direct messages for information you requested.

The bridegroom says come, see the mysteries of the kingdom, that ye may be filled with light and the fulness of God.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 03-02-2008, 05:39 AM
 
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The Hornets

To the tune of This Is Like Heaven To Me

This Is Like Heaven to Me
I am making myself scarce.
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Old 03-02-2008, 06:06 AM
 
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This is my first post on this forum. I liked your comments about those persons who have been translated. I want to study this subject more. Can you suggest good research material on this subject?
Please check the Islamic point of veiw about Free will (go to page number 10 in this thread).

Narashansa
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Old 03-06-2008, 09:00 AM
 
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I believe, and this is just me saying this, that men have no free will whatsoever. I think that if God knows what man is going to do there is no changing it so therefore we have no freewill. Everything is destiny. When we die is predicated as is when we are born. When we "choose" to do something God already knows what it is so, can we change it? I really don't think so. is it really a choice?
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Old 03-06-2008, 12:46 PM
 
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I believe, and this is just me saying this, that men have no free will whatsoever. I think that if God knows what man is going to do there is no changing it so therefore we have no freewill. Everything is destiny. When we die is predicated as is when we are born. When we "choose" to do something God already knows what it is so, can we change it? I really don't think so. is it really a choice?
So you had no choice in making that post?
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Old 03-06-2008, 02:08 PM
 
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In my mind I had a choice but in reality I did not, just like this post. I could have "chosen" not to write it but because it is my destiny to do so I did therefore it was not really a choice.
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Old 03-06-2008, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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In my mind I had a choice but in reality I did not, just like this post. I could have "chosen" not to write it but because it is my destiny to do so I did therefore it was not really a choice.
Does this type of belief draw you closer to God by keeping His commandments of love, or does it lessen your resolve and lower your standards of seeking Him first?

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 03-07-2008, 10:19 AM
 
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This type of thinking does neither for me because if I "choose" to pray, read scripture, go to church, and beleive in God (all of which I do) it is because it is what is meant to be and I can't change that. The only way that would change is if it were my destiny and therefore I really would have no choice but to do so. I know it sounds confusing but to me it make perfect sense. I also know that to others it makes no sense at all and that is fine. To me that just means that they were not meant to make sense of it. Therefore they don't agree. Am I wrong on this issue??? Maybe, I don't know that is just my theory. Is there anyone else out there who agrees with me?
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Old 03-07-2008, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Pikeville, Ky.
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I guess this might be a very trivial problem but I don't know the answer to it.
The question I have is how humans can have free will when everything is according to God's will.
I know there is a long history of free will problem in philosophy and theology but I thought the churches should have a very simple answer to this question to the general church going people.
Even though you asked for the opinions of the general church going people..I am going to just give my personal opinion

IMO, we do not understand Gods will, except that he gave us free will in making our choices, whether good, bad or anywhere in between..God was the creator of the world and of all the natural things in it including man..I think he is not involved with planning our lives, our choices in our lives, or the wars we cause in his name, in the name of greed, or in the name of power..I do not blame evil forces or satan for my choices or bad deeds or thoughts..I take full responsibility for my shortcomings and sins.. because I made the wrong choices..I think God gave us the Holy Spirit as our guide to help us make our choices, build our faith, and to carry our praise and requests to Him..
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