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Old 07-28-2013, 12:11 AM
 
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And what is the true nature of heaven and hell that will eliminate them out of the free will/sovereign argument?
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:31 AM
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IT is quite simple, really. By God's SOVEREIGN WILL . . . we have been given Dominion over the earth and it inhabitants, period, We cannot defy God's sovereign Will which controls everything. Dominion requires that we be free to make choices for good or evil. How could it be any simpler?
I enjoy, and agree with, many of your posts but not this one.

We have not been given dominion over our brothers and sisters of leaf, fur, feather and fin. We have been awarded a shared stewardship - with them - of Mother Earth. (And as our reach increases, a stewardship of our solar system, galaxy, ad-hopefully-darn-near-infinitum.)

We have much to learn and we are fools to think others of us are the only teachers.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:00 AM
 
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Then, what about what God said in Genesis 1:26???

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
(Emphasis, mine).
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:03 AM
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Then, what about what God said in Genesis 1:26???

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
(Emphasis, mine).
Well, in my humble opinion, the Genesis writers got more than a few things wrong.

That's only one.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:42 AM
 
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Hmmmm, that's new to me. Well, do you have any proof or experience or reasoning as to why or how the writer(s) got it wrong?
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:49 AM
 
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Having dominion implies the power to change, which we certainly have. It also implies the responsibility to use that power wisely, which we certainly do not.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Then, what about what God said in Genesis 1:26???

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
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Well, in my humble opinion, the Genesis writers got more than a few things wrong.

That's only one.
Well, that's why in my humble opinion, it's also no less incumbent to announce that the writer god of me got more than a few things wrong.
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:22 AM
 
Location: In a state of Grace
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Hmmmm, that's new to me. Well, do you have any proof or experience or reasoning as to why or how the writer(s) got it wrong?
It's wrong because they believe they know more than God and what they think is right and what God thinks is wrong so they blame the men that God lead to write. When you don't like the message you attack the messenger. Same assault that satan has always used. Attack what God has said. Nothing new!
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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Having dominion implies the power to change, which we certainly have. It also implies the responsibility to use that power wisely, which we certainly do not.
We have the responsibility, Nate . . . but as you say . . . we don't exercise it responsibly or wisely . . . BECAUSE we have free will.
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Old 07-28-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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I guess this might be a very trivial problem but I don't know the answer to it.
The question I have is how humans can have free will when everything is according to God's will.
I know there is a long history of free will problem in philosophy and theology but I thought the churches should have a very simple answer to this question to the general church going people.
First of all "everything" is not according to God's will. God does not will for anyone to reject Him and sin. But you know it happens. Jesus taught us to pray "thy will be done". This would indicate that God's will is not always done. God's will cannot be done completely if we have any free will at all. God chose to not force His will on us so that we may choose to worship Him in faith and not just be robots.
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