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Old 11-14-2011, 07:51 AM
 
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It absolutely does give life. For anyone to question this and believes they know what the Spirit is doesn't get it. Jesus said His words were Spirit and they are LIFE. For those that don't understand how that is, ask questions because what Jesus said there should be taken literally just as He said them.
Then how come we find so many preachers walking in death rather than the "life" they preach???

Unfortunately, it's not as simple as "read the Bible and everything is ok." Everything is NOT ok. There is a whole lot of deception coming right from the pulpits!

So preaching the Bible does NOT solve everything.


Blessings,
brian
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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Then how come we find so many preachers walking in death rather than the "life" they preach???

Unfortunately, it's not as simple as "read the Bible and everything is ok." Everything is NOT ok. There is a whole lot of deception coming right from the pulpits!

So preaching the Bible does NOT solve everything.


Blessings,
brian
Just because preachers don't exhibit what Jesus said doesn't make Jesus's words null and void. (look back at your reply and that is how your argument comes across).
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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Why do you think people went to the synagogue: Luke 4:16, 20
He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: ....
Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down.
The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
It was all there for them.
They rejected Jesus because they rejected what was written.
The purpose of Jesus' physical life was to fullfil what was written about him... not to fill your stomach or intellegence.
Interesting you mention Luke 4. Right after Jesus added a comment to what was written, they tried to throw Him over a cliff!!!

Apparently, for all their reading every Saturday, they still were as in the dark as ever...


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Old 11-14-2011, 07:54 AM
 
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False claims or another possibility is that a person can argue\reject something over and over in their head till that rationalization becomes the truth vs what somebody ( and possibly Jesus himself) actually said.

But that is why Jesus always point to the written word, not the verbal. "Have you not read the scriptures... you don't know the scriptures ... It is written...." Jesus rebuked Satan everytime by saying " It is written..." not by saying, "my gut feeling is..."
I am sure they have rejected the truth so long that the lie becomes the truth for them.

If Jesus own words were written down, then why should we not accept it as the truth? If the Spirit guided the authors to write down God's words, then why should we not accpt it as the truth? What it the motivation behind these never ending attacks? The obvious answer it the desire to downplay the importance of the Bible.
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:55 AM
 
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Just because preachers don't exhibit what Jesus said doesn't make Jesus's words null and void. (look back at your reply and that is how your argument comes across).
Can you please clarify trettep?
Thanks.

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Old 11-14-2011, 07:57 AM
 
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Agreed!


Blessings CM!
brian

Do you agree with me, that Twin, saved33, Finn, katiemygirl, are speaking the truth of God's precious word through the power of God's Holy Spirit ???

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Old 11-14-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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Do you agree with me, that Twin, saved33, Finn, katiemygirl, are speaking the truth of God's precious word through the power of God's Holy Spirit ???

If so then we are in agreement, if not, we are not in agreement !!

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No, I don't.

But I still agree!


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Old 11-14-2011, 08:01 AM
 
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Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
His words are the truth, and the truth shall set you free. The words are the same spoken, written or through the Spirit. I don't know what people here have against the written word.
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:05 AM
 
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His words are the truth, and the truth shall set you free. The words are the same spoken, written or through the Spirit. I don't know what people here have against the written word.
Because it's an illusion, and a way of deceiving the innocent.

Like I said before, there are many pastors who preach "His word" but are full of wickedness. So then what??

Better 1 righteous act than 1,000 pious words..


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Old 11-14-2011, 08:06 AM
 
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Can you please clarify trettep?
Thanks.

Blessings,
brian
Jesus said His Words are Spirit. Here is that verse again:

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I found this to be one of the most thought provoking verses I had ever come across.

Often we see the word Spirit be translated from a word that means breath or air. Here we have the association of Spirit with WORD. We all know that a Word is breath/air. What is interesting about a Word though is that the air or noise thereof that it makes contains meaning. Certain words have different meaning as we all know. Words can identify who we are - what we are like - how are personality is - our dislikes, likes, etc..

The Holy Spirit then is not some third party identify that many wrongly believe in. But rather the very personality of the Father in Heaven.

So Jesus was giving us the FATHER's BEING (His person) by the very Words that He spoke. This is how we become Children of God. But what does it take? - we obviously must BELIEVE those words in order to be changed by them such that are old selves are destroyed and that we put in our minds the Mind of Christ which is also the mind of God the Father. That we become one in sharing of His Spirit.

This is typed in the flesh. When your parents have you they give of themselves their flesh (genetically) and it comes by way of the union of the flesh. Likewise we take on the Father's Spirit when we have the communion with the Spirit - so conception is a type of what is FAITH or to come to BELIEF.

And it is by that Spirit that if we have it - as long as we have it we have His Life in us.
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