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11-20-2011, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Thy Kingdom Come
That is why said "supposedly". But, just because eon is the anglicized word for aion, that does not keep eon from evolving over time to mean something different than it originally meant. If that happens it seems to me it is no longer a good word to use for aion.
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Of course words evolve over time. That is why it is of major importance to see how God used each word in the Sacred Scriptures.
Since the Bible says all the eons end individually and collectively, whether age, aeon or eon is used, the usage in the Scriptures defines the word.
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11-20-2011, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
Let's make it very simple. Jesus offers Eonian Life. Since "eonian" is the adjective derived from its noun form it just meant that Jesus offered life pertaining to the coming eons. All the eons end. The only way one lives beyond the eons is due to putting on immortality.
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The ages/time periods do end but Eternal Life does not. There is a place out side of time prepared for those who Love the Father and the Son. You apparently do not have it or you would relate to salvation as Eternal because that is what He gives, not another time period to suffer with after this one.
REV 7:16 "They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
REV 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."
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11-20-2011, 05:06 PM
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Dear GaryA, the problem you face is that Jesus never used the English word "eternal" when connected with Zoe (life) but used aionios. It just means "pertaining to the eon or eons as the case may be.
You obviously are the wise of this world.
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11-20-2011, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
Dear GaryA, the problem you face is that Jesus never used the English word "eternal" when connected with Zoe (life) but used aionios. It just means "pertaining to the eon or eons as the case may be.
You obviously are the wise of this world.
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It does not matter what you say. Other scholars disagree with your understanding. And I don't base my understanding on them either. Before someone like you came to debate it, Jesus made the meaning of eternal life very plain to me and millions of others using the words written.
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11-21-2011, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by garya123
It does not matter what you say. Other scholars disagree with your understanding. And I don't base my understanding on them either. Before someone like you came to debate it, Jesus made the meaning of eternal life very plain to me and millions of others using the words written.
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It should matter to you what I am telling you.
Whether scholars agree with me or disagree with me does not settle the issue. If we try to prove something by saying scholars say it is so or not so is using the fallacy "appealing to the human."
The only true eternal life is immortal life.
Here are some examples of noun and adjective relationships:
America = noun
American = adjective
Bush was the American president. He presidency pertained to America.
Heaven = noun
Heavenly = adjective
The heavenly angel visited Mary. The angels real pertains to America.
Eon = noun
Eonian = adjective
Mat 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."
Both the life and the chastening is pertaining to that 1000 year eon.
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11-21-2011, 09:39 AM
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an age is not limited to an amount of time. we are living in an age now, then there is the age to come. the great white throne is an age. of course judgement day is not literally 24hrs. the millinium is an age. etc.. the final age is where God will be all in all. and Christ will hand the kingdom back to the father. Christ will reign for ages but not for all eternity. it is hard to fathom or even come to that belief, but once christ complete the consummation of mankind he will hand the kindom over to the father.
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11-21-2011, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
It should matter to you what I am telling you.
Whether scholars agree with me or disagree with me does not settle the issue. If we try to prove something by saying scholars say it is so or not so is using the fallacy "appealing to the human."
The only true eternal life is immortal life.
Here are some examples of noun and adjective relationships:
America = noun
American = adjective
Bush was the American president. He presidency pertained to America.
Heaven = noun
Heavenly = adjective
The heavenly angel visited Mary. The angels real pertains to America.
Eon = noun
Eonian = adjective
Mat 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."
Both the life and the chastening is pertaining to that 1000 year eon.
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It does not matter what you say because I have what Jesus promised, eternal life in my spirit not the body. That comes latter with a new type of body. The scriptures say I have no need that man teach me but the anointing teaches me of all things. Your definition of things is not what I experience. His Spirit is eternal because He is eternal in nature not for a time/times. That is only what matters.
The issue was settled about two thousand years ago ["It is finished"]. Have a nice evening but please stop trying to rob people of their eternal salvation. Your not called of God to teach and you will answer for every thing that you say. You offer nothing of what Christ offers. What is your game, that you want to speak over Christ to say things contrary to what He himself has already spoken in Power into the heart of a man who has come to Him.
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11-21-2011, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by garya123
It does not matter what you say because I have what Jesus promised, eternal life in my spirit not the body. That comes latter with a new type of body. The scriptures say I have no need that man teach me but the anointing teaches me of all things. Your definition of things is not what I experience. His Spirit is eternal because He is eternal in nature not for a time/times. That is only what matters.
The issue was settled about two thousand years ago ["It is finished"]. Have a nice evening but please stop trying to rob people of their eternal salvation. Your not called of God to teach and you will answer for every thing that you say. You offer nothing of what Christ offers. What is your game, that you want to speak over Christ to say things contrary to what He himself has already spoken in Power into the heart of a man who has come to Him.
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Amen...  !!
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12-18-2011, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
It should matter to you what I am telling you.
Whether scholars agree with me or disagree with me does not settle the issue. If we try to prove something by saying scholars say it is so or not so is using the fallacy "appealing to the human."
The only true eternal life is immortal life.
Here are some examples of noun and adjective relationships:
America = noun
American = adjective
Bush was the American president. He presidency pertained to America.
Heaven = noun
Heavenly = adjective
The heavenly angel visited Mary. The angels real pertains to America.
Eon = noun
Eonian = adjective
Mat 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."
Both the life and the chastening is pertaining to that 1000 year eon.
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Originally Posted by garya123
It does not matter what you say because I have what Jesus promised, eternal life in my spirit not the body. That comes latter with a new type of body. The scriptures say I have no need that man teach me but the anointing teaches me of all things. Your definition of things is not what I experience. His Spirit is eternal because He is eternal in nature not for a time/times. That is only what matters.
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Dear Gary,
I believe you are misapplying the verse which says you have no need any man should teach you from 1 John 2:7 because Paul, in his later revelation to the church said this:
Eph 4:11-13 And the same One gives these, indeed, as apostles, yet these as prophets, yet these as evangelists, yet these as pastors and teachers, (12) toward the adjusting of the saints for the work of dispensing, for the upbuilding of the body of Christ, (13) unto the end that we should all attain to the unity of the faith and of the realization of the son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature of the complement of the Christ,
That is why you are not attaining to the unity of the faith. Once you believe what Paul has taught you will begin to believe the eons are not eternal.
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The issue was settled about two thousand years ago ["It is finished"]. Have a nice evening but please stop trying to rob people of their eternal salvation. Your not called of God to teach and you will answer for every thing that you say. You offer nothing of what Christ offers. What is your game, that you want to speak over Christ to say things contrary to what He himself has already spoken in Power into the heart of a man who has come to Him.
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I have said nothing contradictory to what Christ taught. If so, show me, don't just tell me.
I'm not trying to rob anyone of their "eternal salvation." Like I said, the Bible says all the eons/ages end. The only true eternal life we get is when we put on immortality. There is no eternal torment. The chastening of the nations is only eonian or pertaining to the eon in Matthew 25:31-46. The death, the second death is only for the ages of the ages or eons of the eons.
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12-18-2011, 04:50 AM
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I'm not trying to rob anyone of their "eternal salvation." Like I said, the Bible says all the eons/ages end. The only true eternal life we get is when we put on immortality. There is no eternal torment. The chastening of the nations is only eonian or pertaining to the eon in Matthew 25:31-46. The death, the second death is only for the ages of the ages or eons of the eons.
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Amen, Eusebius. God bless.
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