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Old 11-19-2011, 11:16 AM
 
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I think there is still some life remaining in this thread... This is where we left off:

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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Helping people with words is not action? Is you say so.....

Words can encourage others, but helping usually requires getting ones hands dirty..
If only life's problems could be solved by talking!

Blessings,
brian

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Old 11-19-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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I think (IMO) people are afraid of the UR position because it makes them feel slighted that God would justify the ungodly on His terms (grace and mercy), rather than theirs:

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

And that God was in Christ doing a good work on behalf of the ungodly:

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

And that the self righteous had to toil in the heat of the day while others (the ungodly perhaps) did not, and yet those who have borne the burden of that labor ultimately receive the same wages as those who do not toil:

Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

I think this is why many in the ET camp feel such angst concerning the matter.

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Old 11-19-2011, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I think there is still some life remaining in this thread...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Helping people with words is not action? Is you say so.....

Words can encourage others, but helping usually requires getting ones hands dirty..
If only life's problems could be solved by talking!

Blessings,
brian
Yes, and the NT says we have the power of LIFE and DEATH in our tongues. Do you speak life to the world or death ? (a question for everyone to consider).

Psalm 5:9
Not a word from their mouth can be trusted; their heart is filled with destruction. Their throat is an open grave; with their tongue they speak deceit.
Psalm 140:3
They make their tongues as sharp as a serpent's; the poison of vipers is on their lips. Selah
Romans 3:12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.
"James 3:8 but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
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Romans 3

New American Standard Bible
11THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
12
ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS;
THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD,
THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”
13
“THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE,
WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING,”
“THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS”;
14
“WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS”;
15
“THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD,
16
DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS,
17
AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN.”
18
“THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.”
19
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks
to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may
be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
20
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified
in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin
.

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Old 11-19-2011, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I think (IMO) people are afraid of the UR position because it makes them feel slighted that God would justify the ungodly on His terms (grace and mercy), rather than theirs:

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

And that God was in Christ doing a good work on behalf of the ungodly:

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

And that the self righteous had to toil in the heat of the day while others (the ungodly perhaps) did not, and yet those who have borne the burden of that labor ultimately receive the same wages as those who do not toil:

Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

I think this is why many in the ET camp feel such angst concerning the matter.
I agree. That kind of mercy chaps them where the sun doesn't shine.
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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I agree. That kind of mercy chaps them where the sun doesn't shine.
(using Stewie Griffin's voice): It sure does...it sure does
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