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Old 11-20-2011, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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There are posters on here who claim they don't practice willful sin. I never understood the difference but in reading a couple posts here I think I finally understand.

The bible says anyone who claims to be without sin is a liar. But to claim to be a sinner but never to willfully sin is truthful. (At least in the minds of those who claim this... ) So it really has nothing to do with any sinful act itself, but rather its about not being a liar but saying you are sinless in a way to admit sin and deny it at the same time.

Kinda deceptive IMO.

Did I get it right?
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:14 PM
 
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There are posters on here who claim they don't practice willful sin. I never understood the difference but in reading a couple posts here I think I finally understand.

The bible says anyone who claims to be without sin is a liar. But to claim to be a sinner but never to willfully sin is truthful. (At least in the minds of those who claim this... ) So it really has nothing to do with any sinful act itself, but rather its about not being a liar but saying you are sinless in a way to admit sin and deny it at the same time.

Kinda deceptive IMO.

Did I get it right?
No, you didn't get it right. Not even close.

Do keep searching for understanding!
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:22 PM
 
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How does one renounce, missing the mark without having previous and ongoing considerations?
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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No, you didn't get it right. Not even close.

Do keep searching for understanding!
Wow...quick to claim that she's wrong...but won't give the "correct" explanation...what's up with that???
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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No, you didn't get it right. Not even close.

Do keep searching for understanding!
Enlighten me... I can't think of a sin that isn't willful or premeditated.
According to the bible:
You must be a sinner.. Otherwise you are a liar.
You cannot enter heaven as a sinner, so you claim you don't willfully sin.
What other explanation is there???
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Enlighten me... I can't think of a sin that isn't willful or premeditated.
According to the bible:
You must be a sinner.. Otherwise you are a liar.
You cannot enter heaven as a sinner, so you claim you don't willfully sin.
What other explanation is there???
Please try to remember, just because you personally don't understand something doesn't mean it's not real or valid

I would suggest you study the doctrine of original sin.

THAT is how we are all sinners even when we haven't "willfully" sinned.
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Old 11-20-2011, 05:09 PM
 
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There are posters on here who claim they don't practice willful sin. I never understood the difference but in reading a couple posts here I think I finally understand.

The bible says anyone who claims to be without sin is a liar. But to claim to be a sinner but never to willfully sin is truthful. (At least in the minds of those who claim this... ) So it really has nothing to do with any sinful act itself, but rather its about not being a liar but saying you are sinless in a way to admit sin and deny it at the same time.

Kinda deceptive IMO.

Did I get it right?
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Wilfull sin is the same as " being willing to sin."

The word wilful is hekousios an adverb and a derivative of hekon which means voluntarily:--wilfully, willingly.
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Old 11-20-2011, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Wilfull sin is the same as " being willing to sin."

The word wilful is hekousios an adverb and a derivative of hekon which means voluntarily:--wilfully, willingly.
So sinning unwillingly means you blame it on original sin? I can't think of any sin I commit that would be considered unwillfull. Perhaps an example?
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Old 11-20-2011, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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There are posters on here who claim they don't practice willful sin. I never understood the difference but in reading a couple posts here I think I finally understand.

The bible says anyone who claims to be without sin is a liar. But to claim to be a sinner but never to willfully sin is truthful. (At least in the minds of those who claim this... ) So it really has nothing to do with any sinful act itself, but rather its about not being a liar but saying you are sinless in a way to admit sin and deny it at the same time.

Kinda deceptive IMO.

Did I get it right?
No, it does not sound like you got it right, but if you post the claims you refer to, we can take a look.
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Old 11-20-2011, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Wilfull sin is the same as " being willing to sin."

The word wilful is hekousios an adverb and a derivative of hekon which means voluntarily:--wilfully, willingly.
Good effort, but I believe our OP seeks something besides enlighenment
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