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Old 12-07-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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In the story of the man healed at the pool by Jesus on the Sabbath in John Chapter 5,
I wonder what Jesus meant when later he said to the man in verse 14
"...See, you are well! Sin no more, that nothing worse may happen to you."
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:36 AM
 
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In the story of the man healed at the pool by Jesus on the Sabbath in John Chapter 5,
I wonder what Jesus meant when later he said to the man in verse 14
"...See, you are well! Sin no more, that nothing worse may happen to you."
Yes! Beautiful example.

He gave or will give no commandment save He prepared the way for it's fulfilment...

God be praised for His ways and His promises.
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:45 AM
 
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In the story of the man healed at the pool by Jesus on the Sabbath in John Chapter 5,
I wonder what Jesus meant when later he said to the man in verse 14
"...See, you are well! Sin no more, that nothing worse may happen to you."
Sin leads to death. Sin causes stress which in turn has been proven to manifest in our bodies as illnesses. I suspect that some illnesses are caused by negative emotions. Stop the sin (negative emotions causing negative behaviors) and you will avoid the consequences.

Missing the mark, as in archery, has consequences. Some we hardly notice. Some we notice right away. Some fester inside until we physically die. This is why God is Love. With Love all things are possible, even healing the sick.

Jesus was a master at working with the Law of Attraction and not against it as so many do. However, it's a process each individual masters in their own time. It's that mastery of emotion to only focus on Love and Loving others that IS maturity (perfection). Can you think of one person you know who is always loving? They are out there. Can you say (if you did meet one) that you could find even one flaw in them? Mastering the art of Love is perfection.
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:37 AM
 
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I just don't get why you can't say, "kat..I don't want to answer." it's not a bad thing to say you don't want to answer. However you reveal your stubborn will when you are not willing to answer to what you believe.

I wish you well verna. Perhaps we will have another lovely discussion in the future.

I will reiterate, though, that when an archer misses the mark in practice he is doing nothing wrong, just as a person missing the mark is doing nothing wrong. To all the lurkers out there... God is love and love keeps NO record of wrongs. In-between you and success are plenty of misses. It's the only way to learn and god loves us despite our shortcomings and misses. Practice makes perfect.
I'd like to point out what Paul said in 1 corinthians about a man that was sinning, he said to hand him over to the devil so the he may LEARN not to blaspheme...Here is an implication that the man was not sinning in ignorance...And Paul's instructions to put him out of the assembly was not an implication of condemnation but of discipline for it is obvious that he was a child of Hawyaw...In 2 Corinthians Paul tells them to accept him back with love and not to be harsh with him lest he give up and go away...This seems to line up with what is said of Hawyaw's dealings with His children...That He disciplines them...
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:48 AM
 
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Hi Verna,

I hope you don't mind my posting the Hebrew meanings of the words sin, trespass and iniquity. I thought it would be helpful to the thread. There is no way we can downplay disobedience to God, no matter what words we use to spin it.

Differences Between SIN, TRESSPASS, and INIQUITY

The Brown–Driver–Briggs Hebrew Definitions (BDB) is a lexicon of Hebrew
words keyed off of Strong's Numbers.

While all three constitute a different level of disobedience, they do carry different levels of malice.

There are 3 different types.

Cattah (Sin), Pesha (Trespass), and Avon (Iniquity)

Sin
H2398
חטא
châṭâ'
BDB Definition:
1) to sin, miss, miss the way, go wrong, incur guilt, forfeit, purify from uncleanness
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to miss
1a2) to sin, miss the goal or path of right and duty
1a3) to incur guilt, incur penalty by sin, forfeit
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to bear loss
1b2) to make a sin-offering
1b3) to purify from sin
1b4) to purify from uncleanness
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to miss the mark
1c2) to induce to sin, cause to sin
1c3) to bring into guilt or condemnation or punishment
1d) (Hithpael)
1d1) to miss oneself, lose oneself, wander from the way
1d2) to purify oneself from uncleanness
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 638

Trespass
H6588
פּשׁע
pesha‛
BDB Definition:
1) transgression, rebellion
1a1) transgression (against individuals)
1a2) transgression (nation against nation)
1a3) transgression (against God)
1a3a) in general
1a3b) as recognised by sinner
1a3c) as God deals with it
1a3d) as God forgives
1a4) guilt of transgression
1a5) punishment for transgression
1a6) offering for transgression
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H6586
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1846a

Iniquity
H5771
עוון / עון
‛âvôn
BDB Definition:
1) perversity, depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of iniquity
1a) iniquity
1b) guilt of iniquity, guilt (as great), guilt (of condition)
1c) consequence of or punishment for iniquity
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H5753
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1577a

Chatah: is a failure to live up to expectations. A failure to fulfill one’s duty. Missing the standard of God. Failing to observe His requirements for holy living.
It is considered a mistake done because of weakness, or ignorance.

Pesha: is a refusal to accept or perform the expectations of God. It is when one knows what is right and just refuses to do it or accept it. This is what we would call “rebellious” sin. Often the word trespass is used to describe pesha.

Avon: is Hebrew word describing rebellion that is twisted. Disobeying God due to thinking that is crooked or perverse. The word “iniquity” is used to describe avon in the English.

One can see that while all are sin, there are distinct differences.

Katie
See...This is what happens when one uses another's poorly researched material to make a point...There are several other Hebrew words relating to the English word 'sin'...If you would have researched it yourself you would have found them and realized that the author of the information that you presented had done poor research...
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:05 AM
 
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Here is an interesting website - Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah, http://www.jewfaq.org/index.htm
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:12 AM
 
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yet another - Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments), http://www.templesanjose.org/Judaism...tencommand.htm
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:20 AM
 
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But what about the so-called "Ten Commandments," the words recorded in Exodus 20, the words that God Himself wrote on the two stone tablets that Moses brought down from Mount Sinai (Ex. 31:18), which Moses smashed upon seeing the idolatry of the golden calf (Ex. 32:19)? In the Torah, these words are never referred to as the Ten Commandments. In the Torah, they are called Aseret ha-D'vareem (Ex. 34:28, Deut. 4:13 and Deut. 10:4). In rabbinical texts, they are referred to as Aseret haDibrot. The words d'vareem and dibrot come from the Hebrew root Dalet-Bet-Resh, meaning word, speak or thing; thus, the phrase is accurately translated as the Ten Sayings, the Ten Statements, the Ten Declarations, the Ten Words or even the Ten Things, but not as the Ten Commandments, which would be Aseret ha-Mitzvot.
The Aseret haDibrot are not individual mitzvot; rather, they are categories or classifications of mitzvot. Each of the 613 mitzvot can be subsumed under one of these ten categories, some in more obvious ways than others. For example, the mitzvah not to work on shabbat rather obviously falls within the category of remembering the sabbath day and keeping it holy. The mitzvah to fast on Yom Kippur fits into that category somewhat less obviously: all holidays are in some sense a sabbath, and the category encompasses any mitzvah related to sacred time. The mitzvah not to stand aside while a person's life is in danger fits somewhat obviously into the category against murder. It is not particularly obvious, however, that the mitzvah not to embarass a person fits within the category against murder: it causes the blood to drain from your face thereby shedding blood. - Aseret haDibrot: The "Ten Commandments"
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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5691 drahciR....Richard 1965!
Dyslectia?...
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:43 PM
 
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The word translated as "perfect" is teleios and it does not have the colloquial meaning of "perfection" that we understand today. It really means "mature." Wrong. Christ was accepting . . . but NOT condoning . . . that is a huge difference in understanding God's love.
I agree...I have read that in a literal version as 'mature'...
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