Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation (doctrines, studies, committed, mention)

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

katie...PLEAZZZZZZZ get away from these faded colors that cannot be read. Thank you !

It must be your screen. Mine is fine. But for you Verna, ANYTHING!

I'll try to go in right now and change it if I still can. Thanks.

Blessings,

Katie

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

It must be your screen. Mine is fine. But for you Verna, ANYTHING!

I'll try to go in right now and change it if I still can. Thanks.

Blessings,

Katie

Thank you lady !

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by cxjonz

No. We are in no way close to believing and saying the same thing. For the Acts 2:38 command cannot be obeyed by repenting of sins. See Acts 18:24-26 & Acts 19:1-7. Your teaching is only John the Baptist's teaching. Obeying his teaching, repenting of sins, cannot result in being given the gift of the Holy Spirit. Therefore no person can be born again of God on the basis of repenting of sins. The only Way the Acts 2:38 command can be correctly obeyed is by the faith of confessing to Jesus' crucifixion as a sin. What you do not understand is that this word REPENT is also a law. On the front side of this single WORD it is a commanded benefit if it is correctly obeyed. However on the back side of this WORD it is a law that has been added to the law by Jesus' crucifixion which Paul is referencing in 1 Cor. 15:1-4, and cited by ABS. "If you hold fast that WORD which I preached unto you." For if one does not hold fast to only this WORD he is not saved and is guilty of disobeying the whole law by only comitting the one infraction of disobeying this one single WORD.

No my friend. Acts 2:38 is spoken by Peter, not John the Baptist. Peter is carrying out his marching orders from none other than Jesus, our Savior.

Peter promises the gift of the Holy Spirit to those who repent and are baptized. Peter is Jesus' chosen ambassador. I believe what he says.

I really don't see how I can continue to carry on an intelligent conversation with you. No offense, but most of your posts make no sense. I am having great difficulty following you.

So with that said, I wish you well on your journey for the truth, which can be found only in God's word.

Blessings,

Katie

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

Thank you lady !

I made it all better!

Kate

[saved33]

Speaking of believing and teaching, I do enjoy the debating aspect to spur discussion - to dig further into God's Word, but I prefer to think of myself as an ever learning student and never a teacher. This Bible passage comes to mind.

Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. (James 3:1)

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by GREATDIVIDE46

Baptism doesn't involve water just because Katie says so. That's the dictionary definition of baptism. It has to be in water in order to be literal baptism.

I agree with this, too.

Preaching the gospel and getting people to believe is certainly not baptism. It is preaching the gospel and getting people to believe. I agree that Cornelius was baptized with the Holy Spirit, I just don't think speaking in tongues is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I think speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit and really has nothing to do with justification or regeneration.

Bout time you show up. I'm tired of doing all the work around here. Sure wish JJ were here.

Love your post!

Katie

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by saved33

Speaking of believing and teaching, I do enjoy the debating aspect to spur discussion - to dig further into God's Word, but I prefer to think of myself as an ever learning student and never a teacher. This Bible passage comes to mind.

Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. (James 3:1)

Very good point Saved. But I guess anytime we voice an opinion, we are, in a sense, teaching. Unless we preface everything we say with IMO.

When I truly believe in what I am saying, I just flat out say it. But when I'm not sure, I will always say IMO.

There are many things I still don't have a complete handle on. But when it comes to what must I do to be saved, I feel very confident. Therefore, I can say baptism is necessary for salvation.

Blessings my friend,

Katie

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

I made it all better!

Kate

....aaahhhhhhh...much better !

[DRob4JC]

Before I deal with the entirety of your answer, I have a question based on your statement below.

Originally Posted by katiemygirl

How can we OBEY the gospel? We are saved by the gospel. How? Holy Spirit baptism was not commanded, so this cannot be what Paul is writing about. We obey in response to a command. If we do not obey, Paul tells us what will happen to us.

How is it that Jesus commands baptism in Matt. 28 when it is about water (as you say), but Jesus does not command Holy Spirit baptism - even though that's exactly what He said needed to be done to make disciples?

You can't have it both ways.

[katiemygirl]

Originally Posted by DRob4JC

Before I deal with the entirety of your answer, I have a question based on your statement below.



How is it that Jesus commands baptism in Matt. 28 when it is about water (as you say), but Jesus does not command Holy Spirit baptism - even though that's exactly what He said needed to be done to make disciples?

You can't have it both ways.

Hold on DRob,

Jesus commanded immersion in water. He told us to make disciples from all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, IOW, by their authority (Matthew 28:18-20).

For the bajillionth time, Jesus did not command Holy Spirit baptism for the simple reason that men cannot administer HS baptism.

So where does Jesus or anyone else say that we need to be baptized with the HS to be saved or to have our sins washed away? Where does He command HS baptism.

I agree that He promises HS baptism, but I want to know where He commands it. This is where we seem to be parting company.

Your friend still I hope,

Katie